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Tuesday 15th October 2002
Have your say: Fireworks, is a ban right?
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'Fool with Fireworks and bang goes your image' Thats the message going out to young people from the government in a bid to crackdown on the number of accidents caused by 'pocket money' fireworks like Air Bombs, which can be bought for as little as 20p.

A new campaign launched by the consumer minister will target the black market in fireworks, encourage local councils to use their powers to tackle the problem of noise and nuisance caused by fireworks and also impose on-the-spot fines for irresponsible firework users.
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But what do you think about the new plans? Do they put a damper on firework fun? Or do you think we need to have stricter rules on the selling of fireworks?

THIS DISCUSSION IS NOW CLOSED


From paul in worcester
i work for a large firework company & some of the comments i have been reading make me sick.for those people who want them banned think about this.we in the industry are under a lot of pressure to put things right with the public.we volintary ban certain fireworks for you(not the gov)we have to put up with a lot of red tape just to keep you happy.what shall we ban next lawn mowers???.tell you what lets ban cars shall we because they come past my house at 2am and wake me up.lets ban booze and fags...more people die from them than anything else.we do all we can now its up to the law to deal with yobs & the yobs parents.dont blame the tools because they can only do what people want them to do.one last thing last year 135 million fireworks was sold now u work out how much revenue that is.because if they was to loose that then u would have to pay to make it up.

From Helen Taylor, wythenshawe, manchester
I think that all fireworks should be banned from the general public, and that only those who apply for a licence eg:pubs, clubs, organisations etc..can access them to provide organised displays.

From Anthony, Accrington, Lancashire
I support laws to punish firework misusing children/their parents and families and people who buy for under 18's and shops who will willingly sell fireworks to kids-these should be implemented rather than any sales ban.

From Anthony, Accrington, Lancashire
Live and let live,why should fireworks be banned from responsible and sensible people using them in a legal lawful way to entertain family and friends? If I want to enjoy fireworks outside Nov5th sensibly then I will and nobody should have the right to question and stop me from doing so.

From babs
the only way to stop this alful time of year [september to january]is to hav organized displays only. theebraindead louts need stoping not only for our peace of mind , but for there own safety, because it will hapen again and again were ty will be killing themselve just for a laugh, i have paid a 100 pounds out on vets bills as my dog was so frightened she injured her leg trying to get away from th noise. also to buy drugs to sedate my other pets,if any body comes up with an idea how to keep your pets calm during this trying time they would be very, very rich.ban them from public sale and have public organised displays only.

From anthony, Accrington, Lancashire
Why do you tar ALL firework users with the same brush? What about the sensible responsible users with a conscience who; inform residents and police before they have fireworks, take great care to angle rockets away from property cars etc, use quieter low noise no bang fireworks without screechers/whistles/reports/ crackles/crackers/bangs/hummers, limit fireworks to reasonable times i.e.before 9pm out of season and NO later than 11pm in summer, and buy/use fireworks appropiate to the size of their premises i.e. smaller display fireworks if they have no fallout area for spent remains? Are they thugs and hooligans? NO! They (like myself) are normal people who enjoy fireworks safely,sensibly,responsibly AND considerately.

From Beryl in Preston, Lancashire
I have a disabled child who is petrified of fireworks. They now seem to go off all year round (yesterday 17 January is not a special occasion!). The bangs are becoming louder and more common so you cannot hide the display from a child who does not understand. Why can't we go back to the old way where fireworks were only used on 5 Nov (early evening) and midnight on 31 Dec. That way they can still be enjoyed on those occasions and the distress of the many children, disabledand elderly persons and animals remians limited.

From Susan in Manchester
fireworks should be banned unless in an organised public display. I live in a small street and a neighbour gets hold of industrial size fireworks which he then lets off in the street outside our houses. Such idiotic mentality needs serious measures to protect people, property and animals.

From J Burton in Derby
Ban all Fireworks. Nov.5 included No Gunpowder for sale at all

From Anthony in Accrington,Lancashire
Let's face reality and not a dreamworld that will never happen! As I said before i'll reiterate again and again and again, the problem is that if you ban fireworks from public sale,then it's inevitable people will always get hold of them illegally and set them off and you will NOT be able stop it(illegal non BS firework shipments/rogue traders and distributors/the internet and bringing them in from Europe through the back doors). So live and let live; let's have severe punishments for firework misusers such as wayward children/teenagers and their families/parents who don't give a damn and have a conscience, and punish severely the shops who sell fireworks to under 18's and the people who buy for under 18's, have restricted sales periods to twice a year retailers coupled with an ID scheme for purchasers and retailers, training for those buying fireworks for semipublic and public events, sales bans on fireworks which merely bang without other effects,and that in my view will solve a lot of the problems. Legislations and laws will solve the problem-NOT sales bans!

From Dave Wright in Chesterfield
Should ahve been banned years ago but never will be because of the vested interests of big business. Once again profit is put before public safety, and once again a government collaborates with it. BAN THEM NOW!

From Andrew king, Manchester
To many people have been injerd with fireworks if we do let of fireworks leave it to the pros.

From Anthony, Accrington Lancashire
If you ban fireworks from public sale,several things will happen:
(a)people will buy over the internet,
(b)people will buy bring in and use fireworks from europe which are more powerful and possibly lethal to use,
(c)and there will be another danger in that people could make their own from household substances and chemicals hurting injuring or killing themselves and others and demolishing the house,
(d) Lethal more dangerous fireworks could enter the country illegally as well,
(e)It will merely be driven underground and a healthy illegal black market will develop for them and fill the gap a sales ban would create. I would rather have; controlled sales periods for bonfire night and new year, an id scheme for purchasers, all year retailers being compelled to see that before the fireworks can be sold to customers, Sales bans on anything which merely bangs without effect i.e.flash report display mines/garden and display rockets/display cakes,batteries and barrages, retailers trained in fireworks so they sell the correct product to the purchaser ie garden fireworks for domestic premises/display fireworks for semipublic events.

From Anthony, Accrington
The law needs to crack down harder on the children misusing fireworks and the couldn't care won't care parents who won't take stock of them and punish them for firework misuse. Shops who sell to under 18's deliberately or to people buying for under 18's should have their licences revoked for a first offence and refused future licensing and registration of shop premises to sell fireworks ever again. People who buy for under 18's should also be punished by the law with fines and imprisonments and ASBO's should be doled out to kids who create nuisance and damage property with fireworks and their parents should be made to pay compensation to people whose kids have injured/burned/blinded/maimed/ killed them with the misuse of fireworks and to people whose pets have been injured burned or killed by fireworks like poor Megan.

From Vicky, Stockport
Fireworks are a menace to society. I'm sick to death of fireworks being set off at all hours of the day & night. Not only that, but the buggers who get hold of them not only set them off, but throw them at passing cars, cyclists & pedestrians. The police can't respond to life & death calls quickly enough because of staff shortages etc without having to also deal with idiots who are terrorising neighbourhoods with their irresponsibility. Don't get me wrong, I love a good fireworks show -but keep them at organised events only & keep the public safe (and let us have a decent night's sleep aswell!!)

From audrey in Lancashire
it is now 14th of december and already fireworks are going off. mind you i should be thankful we have had 5 days grace since september 16, come on govermant do we realy want them on sale so soon, they are on sale to louts whoare mindless, oh its so funny making loud noises, frightening our pets. well its about time somebody listend to the public.yes i can understand some peope enjoying them, but not everybody, so have private displays then both partys are happy.pets can sleep easy.i say peace andquiet, itsnot too much to ask.

From Janet, Tameside, UK
Well 5th November might have long gone but 31st December is coming up once again! All you worried pet owners, get yourself (and your pets!) some Bach Rescue Remedy and administer it for a day or two prior to the 31st. It worked for my doggie in November and I'm sure it will help your animals stay calmer too!

From Anthony, Accrington, Lancashire
If you cannot fine kids under 18 with Β£40 fines for firework misuse then extend it to the parents and if they do it a second time and are caught by police then back it up with a more severe imprisonment of the parents and send the kids to care for a second offence;if imprisonment worked with school truancy and changed attitudes there's a good chance it'll work too with firework misuse!

From Anthony in Accrington, Lancashire
If fireworks were made quieter,NO whistles/NO bangs/NO crackles/NO screeches/NO hummers,I think that would be an acceptable compromise as they wouldn't have that shock value that so many idiotic children and teenagers crave so much. Prettier yes,frightening NO!

From Karen, Manchester
I love fireworks, our local scouts put on an amzing display that must have lasted over 30 minutes in total for Β£2 a head, great value. But the ones you can buy in the shops are poor quality, un-impressive and dangerous in the wrong hands, I really don't see the pint of letting of this sort of firework in your back garden. BAn fireworks form general sale, too many of them get into the wrong hands, and even reponsible people can get hurt. Instead only allow regualted sale of proffessional standard fireworks to trained people, or those with a licence. It would stop nuiscance noise from sept-dec, and it would make it safer for everyone. None of my animals have ever been afraid of fireworks, but i'm very much afraid of the sort of yobs (as young as 8 as old as 48) that play with them.

From Andy in Manchester
I also wonder how many of the pro lobby have used more than one name to justify their cause. The comment about supermarkets profiteering , selling half price fireworks is spot on, boycott them and tell them why, their mentality is worse than the idiots that let them off all hours of the day,....and night.

From Gerry in Dorset
Lets have a competition, go through the whole lot of posts on here and see who can come up with the greatest number of copied and pasted posts which some people have reverted to, to try and sway the reasoning in favour of the anti firework brigade. Its all a farce !!

From Jean Grundy in Manchester
Ban them at once. They scare old folk like me. Dogs as well All animals. Thay area on sale far too long.

From Debbie South Wales
I do not believe that an outright ban on fireworks is necessary. Tighter controls on retailers would assist with the problem of misuse. Parents should also take responsibility for the actions of the teenagers responsible for the majority of misuse. There are many responsible people purchasing and enjoying fireworks and it would be a great shame to allow the minority rogue element spoil it for the rest of us.

From - Gerry in Dorset
As already stated many times, it is not the firework that causes most problems, it is the person who has it. Fireworks are not only used to symbolise Guy Fawkes plot to blow up the Houses of Parliament on November 5th ( he was actually arrested on the 4th ) They have been around for many hundreds of years, as celebration items, lifesaving devices and as weapons of war. Fireworks should NOT be banned for the knee jerk reactions caused by the mindless irresposible few. ID should be required as the minimum prior to a sale, and ideally a form of basic training/certification process to give you the authority to buy fireworks. this would all be logged at point of sale, If you have proved you are old enough and have proved your required understanding of the safe responsible use and storage of fireworks, then you should still be allowed to use them. If you were one of these who had proved their age and training as outlined above you would already know to publicise your intentions at an early stage, informing neighbours and anyone else who may be affected by your display, and you would also heed the warnings and advice printed on every firework with regards to its properties and minimum safe spectator distances. Perhaps we should ban cats and dogs and horses just because some irresponsible owners let them mess the streets or stray into someone elses ground. ban cars too, as they can be annoying and dangerous in the wrong hands. If we really wanted to we could think of a reason to ban anything we liked. I say ban these types of polls !

From Mary Cheney in Tunbridge Wells, Kent
A total ban on the sale of fireworks to the general public is the only way we can get some peace and quiet. The British are stark raving mad as they don't confine the letting off of fireworks to one night only, it relentlessly goes on until after New Year. Why are these canons and excessively loud explosives on sale anyway? What is the Government doing about it? Its like living in a war zone. I believe they are banned in Northern Ireland and Australia, where there are only public displays. I have been driven mad by the noise for over 6 weeks, and am amazed at the selfishness and irresponsible behaviour of the mainly moronic sections of the Great British Public. Injuries to children and animals, as well as personal and public property just has to stopped. I feel sorry not only for myself, but for my cats who are terrified, birds in outside aviaries, horses and every other creature who lives outside during this crazy time. I have come to loathe the month of November as it is the worst time of the year. Public displays with the excessively loud noise reduced is the only option. It has now become a breach of the peace every single night that it continues.

From Audrey in Lancashire
i say ban them from the public, organised displays only. we have had fireworks going off morning, noon and night since sept 16, an are still goin off nov i2th. my pets hav been very fightened so much so my dog has been throwing up. and i myself and others i have spoke too hav been frightened off the loudness of them this year

From Anthony in Accrington,Lancashire
Problem is;if you ban the sale of fireworks people will always get hold of them through the internet/via mail order/from Europe and through illegal sources/traders/wholesalers and distributors and from the illegal and dangerous non-BS container shipments of illegal fireworks coming into this country unnoticed every year. A healthy black market will also develop the fill the gap that a sales ban would create. I would rather have restricted by law sales periods/all year retailers and mail order firework companies being made to insist on id before customers can buy fireworks/punishments for children misusing fireworks and their parents and families/punishments for those who buy for under 18's/anything that merely bangs without effect removed from sale/quieter low noise fireworks introduced/and noise levels of existing consumer garden and display fireworks reduced. These are more positive steps that would show far more approval better than a sales ban.

From Brian Bowers in Ashfield/Notts
I suggest that something must urgently be done to control the use of fireworks. It has been a problem in my area for the last six weeks now, and is still ongoing and this is the week AFTER Guy Fawkes night! I am also certain that it won`t stop here, because fireworks are now commonly used leading up to, on, and after New Years Eve. I have been unable to allow my dog her normal excercise throughout this extended madness as she is very nervous of loud noises, goodness only knows how cat owners are coping? The government must act to control this behaviour because it is affecting people`s quality of life. A good example of how this sort of behavior is encouraged is when my local supermarket put all fireworks on sale at half price on NOVEMBER 6TH !! This sort of blatant profiteering at the expense of the community must be stopped if any kind of sanity is to return concerning bonfire night. Don`t get me wrong, I still enjoy a good fireworks party, but the whole thing is getting seriously out of control and needs to be taken out of the public domain, where only licensed displays are allowed and then only on Nov 5th so people of nervous disposition and those with animals can plan for the night.

From Sam in Bristol
All public sales of fireworks should be banned - RIGHT NOW - not in a number of year's time when we've all gone deaf from the excessive loud bangs which unfortunately, at this time of year, are so common. Decent (ie unloud) public displays on the ONE night of 5th November may be allowed but only if they are properly and safely organised. It is an outrage that the powers-that-be refuse to clamp down on this preposterous "festival".

From Anthony in Accrington, Lancashire
A fireworks company IS actually trying to do something positive about it,but it remains to be seen if others follow suit; no whistling/screeching/humming/ crackling OR bangs,rockets producing a quieter phut and stars rather than a bang or flash report/roman cake,candle and barrage starbursts producing a small crack rather than a loud bang then the effect,fountains that merely hiss or quietly splutter without crackles or whistles.

From Yvonne in Doncaster
I feel that a ban on firework sales to the general public is long overdue. The government does not seem to be taking it seriousley enough. I am inreceipt of an email from New Labour stating that shops are being asked not to sell fireworks untill 3 weeks prior to bonfire night. This is a toatal waste of time as shopkeepers in the Doncaste area have been selling them for weeks longer than this and have even been offering half priced fireworks for sale. As an animal lover and dog owner it makes me very angry when I have to watch my 2 dogs shaking with fear. I might add that we have inconsiderate adults letting bangers off at three and four o'clock on weekends (a.m.) but then they obviousley feel that we are not entitled to a good nights sleep. We should also consider the elderly and infirmas well as the animal kingdom.

From Christine Burnett
Fireworks should only be permitted by licenced organisers and on a limited number of occasions. Displays should only be allowed on November the 5th or the nearest Saturday when it falls on a week day and only before 10.00 pm except that I suppose they should be permitted on New Year's Eve when shown at organised displays. Those who live in towns are subjected to night after night of disturbance causing distress to children, the elderly and animals. Unfortunately society needs some authority to restrict usage of fireworks to reduce the upset caused to a reasonable limit.

From Ian in Warrington
Its very simple really. The use of fireworks demands common sense. Unfortunately the general public does not have common sense. The the sale of fire works should therefore be banned so as to ease the suffering of people that have to put up with the dangerously loud explosions that penetrate even the most sound proof of homes. Every year, and this year is the worst yet, from mid September to late January fireworks are ignited from just after 3.00pm (Kids out of school), all evening and on occasion up until 3.30am. It affects people’s mental health through sleep deprivation, and puts peoples nerves on edge. The fact remains that Fireworks are explosive devices and as such must be subject to a licence. (For public display use only and then only on 2 days November the 5th and New Years Day) Please supply me with a national Petition to sign, banning the sale of Fireworks.

From Andy, Manchester
Apperntly a lot of the 'loud' fireworks are being banned for next year, and outlets are being asked to co-operate by not selling them too early ( they should be told ..not asked). The problem with enforcing the laws when it comes to fireworks is its very time consuming and a lot of manpower would have to go into it, and for what... they go to court and told not to do it again. The police would never respond to a call about youths causing problems with firworks....they would need an army of officers to make the slightest impact, the government need to legislate..... we should all write to our MP's, firworks on Bonfire Night only.

From Roy Allen in Caernarfon
I would have thought that fireworks or at least these horific bangers are already illegal .We have regulations covering explosives, we have regulations which protect the public from undue noise over a certain number of decibels . so I cannot understand how local authorities do not use existing powers they have with these existing regulations to ban these hideous fireworks. The distress caused to the elderly ,and to farm and domestic animals , must be stopped . If anyone has any plans to get this outrageous nuisance banned I WOULD BE INTERESTED. IT MUST BE MADE A NATIONAL ISSUE BEFORE THE HORRORS OF NOVEMBER 5 COMES ROUND AGAIN.

From Andrew in Manchester
The irresponsible few should not be a reason to prevent the considerate majority from enjoying setting off their own fireworks. I do think though that their sale should be restricted to the week before November 5th only, simply because not everyone appreciates so many explosions night after night! Selling to those underage needs to be cracked down on and those caught misusing them need dealing with properly - not just a verbal warning that would go in one ear and out the other.

From Bill Ellison in Macclesfield
I totally agree with most of what has been said here. It is a dangerous and outdated tradition. Last Friday night some idiot(s) posted a banger in the local post box and blew the door off damaging the mail inside. The idiots may be in the minority; the trouble is they are getting away with it just as they are with depositing their litter on the public highway, cycling on the footpath and endangering pedestrians, and driving their cars at 60mph+ in 30mph limit areas. All this law-breaking has become the norm because the powers that be do very little to stop it.

From Brian in Salford
After having a firework thrown at me earlier today, I believe that anonymous over-the-counter sale of fireworks to the general public must end. Those who want to buy fireworks must provide their name and address along with a verifiable form of identity. Those details must be recorded and the police must have full access to the records of those sold fireworks. The days of practically anybody being able to sell fireworks must also end. Corner shops and the likes must not be allowed to sell them. Certain traders have clearly shown that they cannot be trusted to sell things that can kill. Fireworks should still be on sale, but in my view they should only be sold by local authorities or places that meet extremely strict security and safety requirements. That way the sale of fireworks is controlled, and those who want to run small community or family displays can still do so. Perhaps that way we can have the best of both worlds. An end to the 40% rise in anti-social behaviour, with those who want to run small displays still able to do so.

From Jeff Davis in Telford
I love well reasoned comment ! To people who have posted comments here this is a real issue that is causing them serious concerns. We are not talking about a few fireworks on the one night marking the original celebration, this would be perfectly understandable and allowances can be made for it. Notwithstanding the fact that it would take an unprecedented scale of policing to prevent fireworks from getting into the hands of the socially irresponsible cretins who are taking to use them as weapons, the problem is exaccerbated by the modern trend of ignoring the original intent and traditions behind (in this case) Bonfire Night and 'celebrating' whenever people feel like it, regardless of the inconvenience and distress it causes others. In fact, all too typical behaviour from our increasingly thoughtless and selfish society. As I said, one or two nights, understandable and in keeping with the tradition, a whole darned season of it...sorry, this is not a simplistic question of namby-pampy or do gooding etc.

From Vicky in Manchester
i totally agree with John from Dukinfield, ban fireworks from the general puplic and let the professional displays take place in a safe environment. I am also really sick to the back teeth of fireworks going of as early as the beg of Oct.

From Helen Weedon in Manchester
Fireworks? These days they aren't fireworks they are rather large bombs which is why they do such severe damage in the wrong hands. There should be public displays only, and a time/date limit. Every year I spend at least 5 hours per night for 5 nights watching my panicking horse in case she has an epileptic seizure. That's dangerous for both her and me. Plus its stressful, exhausting and disruptive. If it was for a couple of hours on one night I could live with it, but now its Bonfire Week "celebrated" by people who aren't even taught who Guy Fawks was or his significance in British history - doesn't that sound just like Christmas too????? My friends with small children say their kids are terrified by the noise and there is no-where they can go to escape from it. Similarly the cats and dogs who run away from home and are never seen again. The kids from the school behind where I work let them off within minutes of 3pm and there aren't any shops nearby so they must be carrying them in their bags all day. That's really safe isn't it ? (oh yes and the oldest kids are only 16 so how are they obtaining them please). The sooner these things are banned from public sale the better - sorry.

From Rebekah in Rossendale
Selling fireworks to over 18's is all very well - until you get the Moron Family living next door but one to you, where the father actually goes round banging on our doors trying to con cash out of us to fund a fireworks frenzy for his Moron kids. If he buys them and gives them to his kids, (who for the past six weeks have been outside the front and back of my house blowing up dustbins), then what good does an over 18 law do? They aren't pretty and colourful, they are loud, obnoxious, and very anti-social. Only morons can get anything out of setting off up to 50 of these things in succession, like they did outside my house last night, with the blessing of Daddy Moron. Not even the relentlessly heavy rain stopped them from getting out there and destroying everyone's peace. They aren't a visual spectacle, they are a menace. Fireworks, should they be on sale at all, should be restricted to a small window of opportunity, and airbombs and other racket producing examples should be declared illegal and fines imposed on the morons who think it's funny to set hundreds of these things off outside people's houses. I'd like to be able to go out and stop them, only I don't want to find one pushed through my letterbox when my back is turned.

John Neary in Dukinfield
Time to ban the sale of fireworks to the general public altogether. Fireworks have become too sophisticated and dangerous to be in the hands of an increasingly irresponsible public. Professional displays, yes, public sales, no.

From anthony in Accrington, Lancashire
Just because the namby-pambys and do-gooders and safety campaigners don't like or enjoy fireworks doesn't mean to say the sensible people who are using them safely sensibly and properly to entertain family and friends should be banned from having them. The doogooders/safety campaigners and organisations tar everybody with the same brush-it's the kids and teenagers that illegally obtain fireworks and the retailers who illegally sell to them and persons who willingly buy for under18's that need to be severely punished! Fireworks are NOT the problem, it's the teenagers,children and shops and silly people who buy for them that are the problem!

From S. Beedles in Chester
Bonfire night is now defunct, it actually lasts from September 20th to whenever the last birthday might be. Who but the people of this country would celebrate a failed plot.

From Andrew Turvey in Hulme
At first I was in favour of a ban, but I've now changed my mind. I see the main issue as being people who use fireworks to put other people at risk - either deliberately or recklessly. This is a crime and should be dealt with like that. If you use a firework as a weapon you deserve to be arrested, charged and jailed. Banning fireworks just avoids the real issue which is criminal threatening behaviour.

From Jeff in Telford
One word crops time and again..irresponsible. Irresponsible shops and chains with point of sale personnel who can't be bothered to check the age of purchasers (same goes for alcohol, cigarettes, solvents etc) Irresponsible yobs who, with a few fireworks can intentionally make life a misery for whole communities. So sorry if you are one of the responsible ones who uses fireworks safely and on Nov 5th, I say ban them except for organised displays. Perhaps one day, collectively as a society, we can once again be trusted to use these things properly and sensibly.

From Simon, Sussex
I hate fireworks, I think they're a waste of money and totally pointless..why not give the money to charity? Fireworks should be banned from public sale, that way if people desperatly want to go and see them they can go to their local fireworks display. I'm sick of hearing fireworks from halfway through october right through to the new year...arn't people missing the point slightly? The idea is to celecrate guy fawkes night is it not? Lets ban the bloody things now so I can get some peace at night and wont also have to worry about my cats who right now are quivering with fear as the gimps outside begin what sounds like WW3.

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