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Roy Jenkins' guest today is a man who once failed to recognise his own father because he’d been beaten up so badly by police officers.
As a boy, he’d himself been stopped several times as he was carrying his trumpet home from music practice.
Yet in his twenties, he gave up a career as a hospital research scientist to become… a policeman.
Dr Leroy Logan served the Metropolitan Police for more than 30 years before retiring with the rank of superintendent.
Incidents from his life were dramatised in Steve McQueen’s recent Â鶹ԼÅÄ1 series Small Axe, and he’s written his autobiography, Closing Ranks, My Life as a Cop.
As a founder member of the Black Police Association, he was rarely far from controversy, witnessing at first hand many of the effects of institutional racism. He’s never been afraid to call it out, drawing strength from an active Christian faith, and with a passionate commitment to justice and the needs of young people in particular.

This programme was first broadcast in January 2021.