It’s Not Always Black and White Podcast
Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore their marriage. Talking love, race and the grey spaces in between.
Producer: Emma Newman.
Originally broadcast on Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Radio Stoke.
Episodes to download
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Finding Your Tribe
Thu 26 May 2022
Bongi flies solo to meet a group of black mums to talk about raising kids with your tribe
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What I Don't Understand About Patriotism
Sun 27 Mar 2022
Bongi and Matt talk more about racism, micro aggressions, unity and English patriotism
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Wearing Onesies To Bed
Mon 21 Feb 2022
Bongi and Matt get personal than ever talking about love, sex and relationships.
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It's Tough Talking About Emotions
Mon 14 Feb 2022
Bongi opens up about her own mental health and how heart-breaking personal losses hit her
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I Never Thought I’d Shower With A Dog
Mon 7 Feb 2022
Bongi and Matt reveal just how pampered their pug Winston what their families make of it.
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The Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways
Mon 31 Jan 2022
Bongi and Matt talk about their differing views when it comes to faith and religion.
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You Can’t Choose Your Family
Mon 24 Jan 2022
Bongi and Matt are back and talk openly about cultural differences between their families
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It's Not Always Black & White Is Back
Tue 18 Jan 2022
It's Not Always Black and White returns this January with Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson
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Football and Racism Special Part 3
Fri 16 Jul 2021
Bongi and Matt discuss how politics ended up on the pitch at Euro 2020.
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Football and Racism Special Part 2
Fri 16 Jul 2021
Bongi and Matt talk about players going from heroes to villains at the sound of a whistle
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Football and Racism Special Part 1
Fri 16 Jul 2021
Bongi and Matt discuss racism and football after the abuse aimed at black England players
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10. Race and Racism Part 2
Mon 31 May 2021
Bongi and Matt discuss the use of racist language and how to talk to kids about race.
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9. Race and Racism Part 1
Mon 24 May 2021
Bongi and Matt discuss becoming aware of racism and how it's stuck with them as adults.
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8. Sex and Relationships Part 2
Mon 17 May 2021
Bongi and Matt get deeper into their own relationship and confess their dating disasters.
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7. Sex and Relationships Part 1
Mon 10 May 2021
Bongi and Matt explore sex and how their cultures attitudes help shape their marriage.
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6. Great Britain Part 2
Mon 3 May 2021
Bongi and Matt get into British accents and discuss why swearing is just not acceptable
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5. Great Britain Part 1
Mon 3 May 2021
Bongi and Matt explore what is great about Great Britain and what isn’t so good.
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4. Fashion and Beauty Part 2
Mon 26 Apr 2021
Bongi and Matt get into fashion disasters and why white men should moisturise.
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3. Fashion and Beauty Part 1
Tue 20 Apr 2021
Bongi and Matt discuss how cultures see beauty differently and why hair can be political.
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2. Cultural Differences Part 2
Mon 12 Apr 2021
Bongi and Matt find out what they love most about each other’s culture.
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1. Cultural Differences Part 1
Tue 6 Apr 2021
Bongi and Matt let you into their marriage and start exploring their cultural differences.
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Welcome to It’s Not Always Black and White
Wed 31 Mar 2021
Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore love, race and the grey spaces in between.
