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GADDAFI - DISTANT NEIGHBOUR FROM HELL - OR EASY KILLING?

Many in this country are forced to live in the knowledge that, a few doors down, an oppressive regime is installed at No 666. But even if a coalition of the neighbours are 'willing', they are not allowed to apply sanctions - escalating to violence - and killing. They just have to live with it. WITHIN THESE SHORES, CARING CONSERVATIVE DAVE, PRESIDES OVER UNMITIGATED OPPRESSION.

It is so glaringly apparent that KILLING FOR THE GREATER GOOD is only enacted, at a distance, inflicted on cheap foreign lives, anonymously.

If Dave, Liam, (Nick?) and all those squaddies 'doing the job they love' cannot see the truth of this, we are a cerebrally bankrupt nation.

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THE ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ REPORTED THAT DAVE GAVE THE ORDER FOR OURS TO FIRE. HURRAH!

Well - if that isn't a GREAT WAR LEADER I don't know what is.

It reminded me of when Tony was leaked calling for 'High profile Initiatives with my name on' (or similar). Tony also said: "Every PM needs a war".

But (as above) it is always anonymous Johnnie Foreigner (and hero British mercenaries) who get killed. Maimed foreigners are simply lost to sight and media, but I would like to see Dave move his desk into the corner of a hopeless 'rehab' ward, for de-limbed, half brained semi-heroes, who did not quite die.

There you go Cameron: A small corner of a tragedy that is FOREVER 'Dave'. "They shall never be forgotten" - at least by you.

well the fog of war is a blessing that is a worry that the UN has desided is a risk nato has calculated many many times and if it is to be used to aid lybia's people then it is a honorably use of that damed calculation :(---- sorry bit upset at the moment

Tonight's guest list shaping up well.

SKY has just deployed the '.. facing questions...' media weasel for 'we need to ratchet up the controversy at home, so have gone out and found an opportunistic pol to whinge without much clue as to what they do instead'. Cue yet another Labour pol. Dougie's cred bolt well shot, so now it's Jim Murphy.

Speaking of opportunism, in terms of what makes some nice ratings the 'news' has a nice young Libyan Govt. spokesperson in a suit claiming 'Women & children and families have come from far and wide to protect this military compound'. As you do.

Media lapping up the Arab League thinking wars don't involve warlike stuff, and proving to be as trustworthy as yer average tribal despot and simply trying to wangle a petty political brownie point with nutters who can usually be found firing AK's in the air.... and united against nasty Allied... er... Coalition... er... Westeners.

One presumes that... inevitable... collateral civilian casualties will suddenly result in vast Libyan cooperation with an MSM who needs images more than anything, with emoting 'reporters' suddenly getting upset with the consequences of conflict and teleprompter readers asking daft questions about why civilians are getting hurt when stuck in front of military targets whilst trying to catch folk out when the farce of war outstrips scrutinising para. 3, subsection 3iii of a resolution.

Meanwhile this was interesting, 'sources say' wise:



Someone in Misrata yesterday said in a tweet or some such β€˜I bet they are digging up the corpses in Zawiyah and taking them to Tripoli to show journalists’. This morphed into someone on ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ world being told that this was the rumour, and then on to a wire report.

Questions may well be asked.

So the offensive that began yesterday involved the use of long range attacks, co-ordinated by the US Africa Command, under General Carter Ham. So, this is why the Americans fought for and so dearly wanted "Africom" - so that it would have a power base to attack African countries. I said at the time "Don't allow it!", but who listens to me?
The wider international operation (the no-fly zone) will be handled by Nato's Coalition of the Willing since several Nato countries wanted no part in this fiasco that has stretched UN R 1973 beyond any possible recognition. Nato's componnent will be managed AMERICAN Navy Admiral Samuel Locklear.
BOTH COMMANDERS ARE AMERICAN. I guess they understand American objectives better than foeigners.
But very owrrisome were the ninitial attacks by The Coalition of the Willing - killing 48 and wounding another 150. Since then of course the collateral damage has been less and less reported.
Military commanders believe that the "coalition of the willing", will be able to bring sufficient combat power to bear in order to cause the fall of Col Gaddafi...Hold on a second! I thought that the "fall of Gaddafi" was not part on UN R-1973. I thought Gaddafi was not to be targeted.
This is a contravention R 1973!
The heart of the attack is American: B-2 bombers, and 124 naval cruise missiles.
If Col Gaddafi does not fall quickly - Here we go again. R-1973 does not talk about the fall of Gaddafi. It calls for the protection of civilians, no occupation, and no targeting of Gaddafi.
As for the wider coalition effort, including possible arrival of combat aircraft from Arab countries, it has not yet begun, and likely will never begin because as the Arab League has said; THIS IS NOT WHAT WE INTENDED. THIS WAS NOT WHAT WE WANTED.
And then there are the great bears, shaking their heads and speaking words of caution. I mean of course: Russia, China, and India - most of the BRIC countries. These countries are displeased. What if these countries were to unit in defence of Gaddafi, what then?

it's worrying that "Armchair Warrior's" are urging ground deployment of "advisor's" to train the rebels, the papers are full of speculation of special force involvement (probably unlikely),
Mission creep is beginning to occur, where's the end game?, when can we declare victory?.
Is it's weeks, months or Years!
Is MoD playing the bills or is from the Treasury's Reserves?, if not it's going to wreck the Defence budget.
We have entered a operation without any idea of a medium or long strategy.

good debate in the commons this afternoon...watched in on the parliament channel on ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ, if the cuts go through we may lose this valueable feed...

After Haigues' update on the Libyan situation and other middle east matters I'm sure that anyone watching and listening must be more confused than ever over who is doing what and why.

In his own mind he seems to have a wonderful vision of sorting out the whole of the middle east rather than the middle east being modern and grown up enough to sort itself out.

In Libya he insists that Gaddafi's people should hold a ceasefire but it takes two to have a ceasefire. Is he asking one side of the civil war in Libya to roll over so the other side can take over and obliterate them?

I've heard some crazy things but this one really takes some imagination.

Now we hear that foreign mercenaries have and are entering the country but no-one seems to know which side they are fighting on so who does anyone know who they are shooting at?

Hundreds of thousands of foreign workers are supposedly trapped in the country unable to get out so what is happening to them while rockets bullets and missiles are flying all around? The UN resolution protects Libyan civilians but there is no mention of foreigners.

For some unknown reason the west always seems to think they can sort everything out but end up making things more complicated and much worse.

This will take its course and will last many years over the whole of the Middle East and Africa and is not a place where anyone not understanding the muslim world should be trying to get involved.

William Haige's vision of the new world order has a long long way yet to go. Perhaps he should concentrate on the protection of out own people here who could well suffer unintended consequences of any further meddling in other states' affairs.

The war campaign unleashed against Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces is a two tier effort
- covert and
- Nato.
UK, French and US forces are all complicit in contravention on UN R 1973 which gave no authorization for the straffing & bombing of infrastructure, including the Capital of Tripoli.
Thank God for the sanity of people who don't want to drop bombs because bombs always cause collateral damage. All significant commanders of Nato are American' the main push behind this Libyan effort is American. Like it or not, this is truly an American affair and is about imperialism.
Military commanders believe that the "coalition of the willing", will be able to bring sufficient combat power to bear to cause the fall of Col Gaddafi; an aim that the US, UK and France share, but that is NOT included in the UN R-1973 resolution, which demonstrates to the world the games that can be played using the United Nations as the front. US B-2 bombers, and 124 naval cruise missiles were what really sppoke for the UN.
NATO has taken command of the war in Libya but kid yourself not: the US has deployed covert CIA operatives to the field to work the ground, identify fly-by targets, and coordinate with the rebels.
Didn't US President Barack say clearly that the Unuted States would not be operating on the ground in Libya. The CIA has allegedly been on the ground for weeks in an effort to infiltrate the Libyan military.
In addition to the CIA, British officials confirmed that members of the British Special Forces and MI6 intelligence officers are actively working within Libya to direct airstrikes, collect intelligence about the whereabouts of the Libyan army, their supplies and Libyan officials. And don't forget that some rebels have been using Israeli weaponry, and that speaks MOSSAD.
Wow, this is mighty power for Col. Gaddafi to fend off; in fending Gaddafi is beginning to look mighty wise, persistent and brave.
Chairman of the NATO Military Committee Adm. Giampaolo Di Paola argued in a public statement that the presence of foreign intelligence personnel like the CIA did NOT violate the UN resolution which called for the protection of civilians. Di Paola noted that the resolution only explicitly forbid occupying forces and said nothing of intelligence operations. Can these guys play semantics or what? Semantics must be a prim etopic in military education, right next to obfuscation.
The CIA assisted in the rescue of one of the two American airmen whose fighter jet crashed in Libya on March 21. In addition to courting the opposition, intelligence officials are working to learn just who the rebels are. Little is known about them, what they think and what they want. Yet, yet...the west has juimped into the melting pot to asssist & arm this unknown quantuty! Does this seem terribly bright to you? It must to the CIA, M16 and the MOSSAD...
Apparently, Obama signed a secret order authorizing the CIA to provide arms and additional support to Libyan rebel groups. The administration claims no weapons have yet to be transferred (I guess they mean by the United States and that other countries like Saudi Arabia don't count.).
Republican Congressman Mike Rogers: β€œWe need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them.” Now, here is an intelligent comment at last!
According to NATO, Operation Unified Protector, consists of a no-fly zone, an arms embargo and vaguely, all β€œactions to protect civilians and civilian centers” citing the authorizing UN’s resolution allowing all means necessary to secure civilians in Libya.
However, arming rebels would CLEARLY VIOLATE THE RESOLUTION because it requires coalition forces to become actively involved in the ongoing civil war above and beyond protecting civilians by preventing Libyan forces from killing the people.
This whole Libyan affair is about one thing: American imperialism, the building up the American military industrial complex.

Thank goodness for BRICS. The future of our world could very well depend on these five MAJOR emerging powers.
BRICS have stood united in their criticism of the West for waging a war on Libya, which has caused civilian casualties in the North African state.
In their summit meeting in southern China, the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa unanimously condemned the Libya bombings. The entire group rejected the use of force in the Middle East and North Africa.
In part: "We maintain that the independence, sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity of each nation must be respected." These BRICS represent more than 40% of the world's population. They also voiced concern that the NATO-led campaign is causing civilian casualties. The leaders of BRICS nations said their joint presence on the UN Security Council in 2011 offered a unique opportunity to bring peaceful resolution to Libya and other matters.

Mr. Hague is certainly dancing. Hague: β€œWe should be fortified today by the knowledge that the action we are taking is necessary, it is legal and it is right.”
Says who?
Hague's rhetoric in which he claimed to have saved lives, helped Libyans choose their own future...raises serious questions about his sincerity in the context of the recent defection of the Libyan Musa Kusa to Britain. MI6 helped the former Gaddafi foreign minister known as his β€œenvoy of death”, escape to Britain last month. You read that right: M16! London didn't send any signal for a trial for the Libyan suspected of being involved in several acts of terrorism in the UK (and elsewhere). In fact, it allowed him to leave for Qatar in time for "The Contact Group" meeting. Further, Kusa has been offered a six month UK asylum seeker's visa.
The British seem to have a lot of questions to answer.