Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ

It does sound like it's going to be an interesting programme tonight although I doubt whether there can ever be 'constructed' by the human mind such a thing as a theory of everything.

mim

"BP under its new American chief executive will release its report". Corrected. Should be interesting.

Wouldn't be surprised to find it makes the IPCC look like a model of transparency.


ask Hawkins how a "Theory of Everything" could exist without reference to consciousness - and human values. If 'Science' cannot study values, then how can it possibly claim to have a Theory that covers *Everything*?

and if Science CAN study values, then does that make the Social Sciences of equal weight to the Physical Sciences?


any discussion about "God" will probably be very cliched and boring, i would recommend avoiding it. Then again, it wold probably stir a lot of comment and post-argument, so...

we still don't know the full truth about Piper Alpha and that was in 1988...

"1. At 1:59pm on 08 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
It does sound like it's going to be an interesting programme tonight although I doubt whether there can ever be 'constructed' by the human mind such a thing as a theory of everything."

By 'Theory of Everything' physicists actually mean something quite mundane, namely a unified theory which covers all forces in physics.
Some think that there are contradictions between Quantum Theory and Relativity Theory. Others think that looking for a reconciliation is as misguided as searching for THE recipe for the perfect chocolate cake, as theories are just pragmatic summaries of the state of what is known in particular areas of practical application. Just because some people have come up for words for things doesn't mean that there should be a science of it. 'Consciousness' and 'the mind' are examples of concepts which can be dispensed with. We can do without some notions, and many scientists and applied professionals get along happily without them, just as they do without demons and witches, phlogiston etc..

The most important thing that a fledgling dimocracy requires is a viable/profitable bank!....or is it the other way round?

Kabul Bank shareholders' assets frozen
/news/business-11211245


Oooh!...it’s all going terribly well.

It's an unfortunate wording, Theory of Everything, but it's the first time I hear of it, I'm looking forward to hearing what Stephen Hawking has to say about it. He is brilliant.

"A SEQUENCE OF FAILURES"

What - like the (totally different) 'sequences' that brought down Towers 1 and 2 (by top-down pulverisation) and Building 7 (by maintained-integrity drop)?

In passing: LUCKY that 1 and 2 did not try the '7 mode'. ONE, AT LEAST, WOULD HAVE FALLEN OVER!

Remember just how many different agencies seemed to be found wanting at 9/11? All adding up to a 'successful' end result for those who planned it? Who gained?

Who gained from that spill - at that precise time?

What next?

ASSERTION OF ABSENCE IS NOT ABSENCE OF ASSERTION

After Hawking's blatant (if crass) publicising of his new book, with 'that utterance', I suggest book-burning might be focused elsewhere, to greater advantage.

Ha ha ha - Alex Salmond v Jeremy tonight - why do I KNOW this is going to be a classic?

Very interesting evening ahead tonight! Certainly look forward to Susan's reports :o)

As for the Koran burning ceremony in Florida on 9/11, it would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech, and cannot be suppressed by the government.....

yep 1st ammendment gives american's the right :-)

"7. At 7:00pm on 08 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
"A SEQUENCE OF FAILURES"

Remember just how many different agencies seemed to be found wanting at 9/11? All adding up to a 'successful' end result for those who planned it? Who gained?

Who gained from that spill - at that precise time?"

It was very a very impressive set of vertical deconstructions wasn't it?
But then, rumour has it that the demographics of NYC make this the world centre of de-constructivism. I have even been led to believe that if one puts the three letters of this world centre of financial mass deconstruction into a wordprocessor using first the WEBDINGS and then the WINGDINGS font, the entire conspiracy will be revealed to all who are receptive to such wicked thinking..

Microsoft - boom-boom dot com?

'SELF-EVIDENT' LACK OF RIGHT TO BONFIRES (#10)

Doh!

brain dead bible belters burning books? bonkers!

if books are bad let us bomb bookshops to stop more 'victims' of the books being brainwashed?

9. At 7:12pm on 08 Sep 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:

'As for the Koran burning ceremony in Florida on 9/11, it would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech, and cannot be suppressed by the government.....'

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Yes, but surely they'll be burning the wrong book!

Do you think anyone has told them?

14. At 8:19pm on 08 Sep 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:

"Yes, but surely they'll be burning the wrong book!

Do you think anyone has told them?"

I suspect someone will be writing an article for Commentary Magazine (pre 90-s it would probably have been Encounter Magazine) asserting that America needs more such patriots expressing their rights under the First Amendment of The Constitution.

? ? ?

2 No is 2 No No 2 that 2 could be eleven does that make US Even

All Square.

When does A Tree Become A Book that then becomes A Chicken

Am/Pm I talking tb/tony blair or gb/gordon brown or AC/DC the cambell

Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ, say no more mate Aye catch your drift

15. At 9:14pm on 08 Sep 2010, tabblenabble01

'...Commentary Magazine (pre 90-s it would probably have been Encounter Magazine)'

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My word...you really do know your c20th history!

The above comment is confirmed on page 201 of the book I read during my summer hols...
'Stalin's Nemesis, The Exile and Murder of Leon Trotsky' by Bertrand M. Patenaude ISBN 978-0-571-22876-8
[Bertrand M. Patenaude is a lecturer at Stanford University, where he is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution Library and Archives. He is the author or editor of several books on Russian and Soviet history.]

Although the author is/was clearly pro-Trotsky, it is extremely well written book and an exceptional read as it is written like a novel (yet virtually every assertion in the book is referenced to historic documents at the back of the book)...and is especially interesting given the comments of jadedjean on NYC on this very blog in the past.

Maybe you have read it already!?!

#17

Square, not round or straight, chicken?

#20 addendum

Chicken from Tesco? Or free range straight from the farmer?

A moustachioed challenged by the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ or even on a wider scale?

Change your IDEEntity it works, u wont pay a penny.

The Butchers Bill? who's bill

thats not my bill thats the other/tother/tether bill

tether the bill 2 what?.. the bill

I dont like bill/s

the rubber check is in the Post

what post/make toast, that is not my toast, butter me up

eye may/day make/take post/toast

oo0 toasty/tasty

Jan0816

Have you had a sex change?

Will they be sending this kerosene laden red truck along for the 9/11 anniversary book burning?

20 the No is 2 that could be a both eye plead/bleed the thrird/tird

U no what Eye Dont mean 2 B B mean

- the Book-burners in the church in America - easy, at the same time as that happens, other groups, Fx atheists can burn the Bible at the same place, along with US flag burners etc, and all can meet and burn their Hate totems together. Would this pastor accept to watch the burning of the Bible and the US flag merely to burn a Qoran, in what is clearly an act of hate?

perhaps an International Be A Bigot Day? Allowed only in Countries that REALLY believe in Free Speech.

I'm pleased to learn that officially it's an M-Theory rather tan theory of everything

toast 20 it sometimes bends in the the middle

the middle of what?

are u being rood?

the middle of the SENTence, dont interUPt when i am being rude

I Am In The Nude 4 Love

post 21

i am a farmer i farm for Bush, in my spare time

doo u have any spare time.. i am hiding in the bush

AMBUSH/Hambush/BaCONtree
av i managed 2 con u

I dont believe innit

Loved Alex Salmond v Jeremy tonight - :p from asking which generation to stating that he couldn't be bothered to take it to the vote, because everyone said they would vote against it.......Oh and the Salmond head on Freddy Mercury's body - hillarious!!!!!!!

I'd hoped Susan would have had longer time for her interview with Prof Hawking :o( still an interesting report though.

prost 20

only in my spare time

cheers big ears/nose

all about me/u/and the dog

THE WISDOM OF PETRAEUS

Patraeus kept a straight face as he decried the book-burning priest, saying that such action would damage his peaceful invasion.

Dead-pan walking.

With allies like this, who needs a hole in the head?

33 tree walking pan

i have 7 do eye need another 1

i do hope/antilope/envvyLope/grope/bob hope so

but then again/a gain of what

could b hope

pandora's box? who is pan and who is Dora

bloody NOra

de bum t a

#30

'all' thanks G W Bush, the one who wanted make his name for establishing 'peace' in the world?

'very clever', with no clothes on but watch out, you may chill, if not freeze, your parts

U.S. Financial System Still "Fundamentally Corrupt," Kotlikoff Says: Here's How to Fix It [Aug 24, 2010]
s-how-to-fix-it-535361.html?tickers=XLF,FAZ,JPM,GS,BAC,C,WFC

I am yet to digest the following article from Free Wikipedia but I really like the visual image of the String Theory:

Quote of the week!

Commentary Magazine


'Commentary is America’s premier monthly magazine of opinion and a pivotal voice in American intellectual life. Since its inception in 1945, and increasingly after it emerged as the flagship of neoconservatism in the 1970’s, the magazine has been consistently engaged with several large, interrelated questions: the fate of democracy and of democratic ideas in a world threatened by totalitarian ideologies; the state of American and Western security; the future of the Jews, Judaism, and Jewish culture in Israel, the United States, and around the world; and the preservation of high culture in an age of political correctness and the collapse of critical standards.'

Post 30

Chill/chilli/HOT Very HOT Curry ..curry this before you chill

I love the Very/Very FlRE/flare be4 you get get cold

have u met a match?, its not/knot/hot enough 4 me

the match is not hot enough for me
the odd very odd volckaNick

icwhat i c i love what eye dont c/do c

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WHAT HAVE I MISSED?

Why, when John Humphries asks Nick a 'question', designed to trap him into a headline (or Paxo asks Balls - say) does the recipient of the crafty question not simply expose it as such, with a few choice words?

Could the whole thing be a politico/media GAME? Might we all be LIVING WITHIN THE LIE?

Will Mark Thompson fix it for us?

Some Bozos (very, very few Bozos) across the pond decide to do something inflammatory.

So they send out a press release. This converts ravings into 'news'.

Ratings hungry and agenda obsessed bozos in the MSM then manage to whip this up into a full blown crisis, with added dollops of justification thrown in for a bunch of Bozos (very, very many Bozos) at the other end of the Med (offices also in all major cities) to get all 'justifiably' worked up. Helpfully, many 'news' outlets invite on folk with books to sell or causes to push to explain just how mad these Bozos will be, and what they could do... if they have not already made plans.

And just for good measure, PC-obsessed political and military types decide to go along with this scenario as opposed to highlighting the classic system abuse by a minority it is, and that any 'reaction' will simply be two wrongs making something Elliot Carver would be proud of: so make sure you wear berets when explaining, irony free, to media about how negotiation is best, but a little threat can always tip the balance if required.

Personally, I think burning books is bad. It has a poor historical precedent. But I also think blowing stuff up and lopping off heads is worse. So there's a priority thing here, especially if trying to ignore some uncomfortable facts behind human nature, democracy, free speech...etc.

Unique.

Talking about lies, it turns out that Blair's so called "meeting" with the Queen was a FAKE!
Source:

BOOK HIM PETRO (#42)

Why not send tunnel-vision Petreus to explain 'Just War' to tunnel-vision preacherman? Better still, send Tunnel-Tony. (He is such a great communicator.)

#41

chemical singie

I shouldn't think it'll be Mark Thompson 'fixing it' as he's been part of the so-called 'game'. It would take incredible guts for him to talk honestly about him. He's largely to blame, I suspect. Sad. Very sad indeed, in fact.

mim

GROUND ZERO DAY - OR GROUNDHOG? LIVING WITHIN THE 'LIE OF OUR AGE'.

You still want to follow Obama and believe the official fairytale?

Try this:

#42

a little 'unique' threat, eh? threatening who may I ask, junk?

Unless the fundamental of western banking is reformed - the invention of money AS and FROM debt by fractional reserve banking we will continue to live in a feudal system which removes wealth from just about everyone to the super rich.

When you understand that money is created from nothing as debt by banks you realised we live with-in a basis of legalised fraud implemented by governments via banks with-in the Western world.

So unless it is accepted that -
money created as debt from nothing is the basis of the problem it will continue and get worse - probably to hyperinflation (very quickly) after a period of deflation. This will be the likely out come. A run on the banks en mass is unlikely due to main media control by the banking super rich.

Basically what I'm saying is that its legalised USURY for the few - super rich who control govts and is therefore implemented via force of law.

Perhaps the most obvious way this is showing it self right now is in massive student debt. Its very sad to see.

All the other little nasties - derivatives; naked short selling; accounting fraud; corrupt rating agencies; high frequency tradings ability to market manipulate, are like an afterburner with the noise pointed at oblivion for the majority public.

#48
flicks

You've raised a smile to my face with 'the naked nasty short selling'. Very, very nasty. Perfect.

the theologian made a good point. what is there in uk life that is so sacred as to evoke the same feeling a muslim has for the koran so that uk society might understand it. Perhaps spilling someone's beer? Adverts during a football match? The house of lords hansard used to be full of debates about subsidies to landowners. That got pretty heated.

what is sacred in uk life that would cause riots in the streets if someone offended against it?

if a religious sect started putting cats in bins i think that would provoke a govt statement appealing for calm?

burning star trek scripts to outrage jedi knights?

we get the drift JP.

41

"Why, when John Humphries asks Nick a 'question', designed to trap him into a headline (or Paxo asks Balls - say) does the recipient of the crafty question not simply expose it as such, with a few choice words?

Could the whole thing be a politico/media GAME? Might we all be LIVING WITHIN THE LIE?"

A few days back I posted a link the 1854 Nortcote-Trevelyan Report which reformed our Civil Service. I suggest you read it very carefully, as like the quote which DJ cited above, I suggest it is not quite all its seems as it led to a class of recruits who were largely Oxbridge arts/classics/PPE educated ruining not running the Civil Service. How and why might one ask? Well, to see how that is done one need only look to what has happened in more recent times, or, as you suggest above, watch the Newsnight gymkhana

Can you imagine a tutorial system where engineers, biologists and other scientists where taught the tutorial tricks learned in the Oxbridge system which is at root to argue and trap opponents, i.e argue and 'debate' with skill? That is not a way to get not much done? Once you see that, I suggest, you see how Conservatives (anarchists) wrecked the British Civil Service in favour of the private sector and the free, unregulated market, and how it began way back, with some of it documented in this report from the mid C19th. What people see as a state is largely sinecure, after all, this isn't the USSR and we don't like Hitlers and Stalins do we? We elect and revere anarchists, and ensure they are placed in the right positions - seriously.

19. At 10:19pm on 08 Sep 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:

"Maybe you have read it already"

No, but I may. Thanks for the reference.

From a (not too objective) review



"The leading opposition figures in the SWP - Shachtman, Burnham and Abern - as predicted by Trotsky, all subsequently broke with Marxism and moved to the right."

For something a little closer to home and more recent, look up Coad, Fraser and others in the Third Report of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Affairs Select Committee 1997/8 Hansard, noting carefully what Coad said to the Committee at the time on what had happened to the Probation Service.
routing to the report can probably be found from here:

[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

The group providing oral and written evidence submitted some interesting papers, and the transcript of the oral evidence deserves some attention, even today. One of the group was Sybil Eysenck. Those were the days before the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Office was declared 'not fit for purpose'.

48. At 11:00am on 09 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:

"So unless it is accepted that - money created as debt from nothing is the basis of the problem it will continue and get worse - probably to hyperinflation (very quickly) after a period of deflation. This will be the likely out come. A run on the banks en mass is unlikely due to main media control by the banking super rich.

Basically what I'm saying is that its legalised USURY for the few - super rich who control govts and is therefore implemented via force of law."

This is the core of Libertarian liberal-democracy and many well educated people know this. Since the 70s, old, socialist/communitarian leaning usury laws have been repealed and the financial service and business support service sectors upon which these political economic systems depend have been ever more deregulated. As to fiat money, well that is just socialists spin assets being exchanged. If I was to lend you Β£100 pounds at 15% interest a week*, how much would you owe in a year? If I then sell this loan to someone else, how much could I sell this asset for? Have a really created money out of nothing, or am I selling a legal contract of what you owe me? I don't disagree with your sentiments, but one has to be realistic about the scale of those problem. This is the very nature of Liberal-Democracy, and many who are challenging it have to accept that it can not be changed piecemeal. The system depends upon most people who feed it not being smart enough to see the entire picture. This is why some have said they are exploited. This is why some say equalitarianism, and individual human rights is a sham. It is why so many socialist states angrily object to having violations of Human Rights levelled against them, as they consider that subversive. I repeat, you can't change this in parts. That's the problem.


* If you like, change that calculation to Β£100,000 at 15% pa for 52 years to see what is really going on, then see that quote DJ provided a few days ago (from an article in 1990)..

#51

So you are JP, jaunty, or you want to be i'n JP's shoes?

50. At 12:18pm on 09 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

"what is sacred in uk life that would cause riots in the streets if someone offended against it?"

How about asserting that not everyone is equal, and so some groups of people, e.g. males and females, are biologically not equals? Might something like THAT cause a fuss if evidence was provided to show that it was true?

Dawkins had a long programme on Darwin over on MORE4 last night which might have raised a few eyebrows, but I suspect for most it would have just passed over their heads. That's 'The Veil of Ignorance' at work, something which is closely related to 'The Phenomenological Reduction or epoche, I submit, which will also pass over most people's heads. As to who was keeping an eye on Rawls, and why, THAT will definitely pass over most heads for reasons related to equality/discrimination.

Not that any of this matters - we're all equal - so long as one draws a veil over the facts.

#52

When I was at uni, tb01, and i'n tutorials with Oxford graduates, there were no debates whatsoever. One talked about buying a house i'n North London and laughing about a Russian liking Clark's shoes while the other spoke in his Russian literature tutorial about liking Byron and after special events open to all, the first one kept fretting about his female colleagues while the other spoke about boredom and sausages.

am I an ungrateful past student or am I being truthful?

Re. tn01's #52

'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.'

Goethe

55

your reading of english leads you off into seeing things which don't exist.

57. At 1:15pm on 09 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote

"am I an ungrateful past student or am I being truthful?"

Impossible to tell. I suggest that all the above shows that at least some of your tutorial time was wasted. It could have been just a tiny amount, of course. If all of your time was spent that way, it would have been a complete waste of your time if the purpose was formal education. As to whether you are telling the truth about such matters, I have no way of telling, but then, it comes down to how much time doesn't it?.

I use this as just one of many examples throughout government (note yesterday's press was asking if our tax system was fit for purpose). I know this example has been used before, but look anyway, and be sure to read some of the transcript of the oral evidence covering NAPO and Marxists which was published along with the full report, as it is a remarkable illustration of just how blind the House of Commons Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Affairs Committee was to what was widely understood to be the case.

In the end, what can one do? If people speak out, they are likely to be seen as rocking the boat and causing trouble. So people don't speak out, as they want to keep their jobs and feed their kids etc. That is how the rot tends to progress sadly. Good people often do bad things, and not on purpose. That is the rule, not the exception. That is what has to be dealt with I suggest, and it has to be dealt with using wisdom and fairness. That is no easy task. Who will do it?

"59. At 3:45pm on 09 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:
55

your reading of english leads you off into seeing things which don't exist."

That is why I urged you to dig out that chapter 11. Philosophy before the C20th can in large part be disregarded as linguistic error, a seduction into metaphysics (beyond physics) through asking irrational questions as a consequence of not paying sufficient attention to the very medium used to ask such questions - i.e language. Paying closer attention to that as syntax led to the computer and automation revolution, without which we probably would not be raising or discussing these issues. I urged Mimpromptu to look up the word GAVAGAI as that highlights further issues to do with reference, and to some extent, the place of meaning in useful/useless communication. "Meaning" is in fact the archetypal mentalistic term, and for a good part of the later part of the C20th, students in the relevant disciplines were taught to avoid this, or, to study the errors which people make when naively using it as examples of the foibles of our natural pre-scientific psychology. The first was sometimes known as 'therapeutic positivism', the latter, behaviourism. It concerns me that it may not be a coincidence that most people who study psychology these days are in fact disproportionately female, that females are better than males at NATURAL languages, but that as they age, females seem to be more prone to certain types of psychopathology than males.

Get your hands off My 2, You can play with that one bitch, (about what)

B Gen/genitile with me

62

asking what the highest idea of the mind is and then exploring what follows is 'irrational'?

the universities are eunuchs that have castrated themselves in order to play a oneupmanship game of who can shriek the loudest. it is a house for trainee parrots. the brainwashing has a deep effect that kills thinking.

like vampires avoiding the sun they will use any term other than the good/the one as the highest term and curse those who do use it. you are in that tradition.

you seek to sell me your learned false gods as the highest term. i do not blame you as you are a victim of the system. do you have a highest term? name it.

"like vampires avoiding the sun they will use any term other than the good/the one as the highest term and curse those who do use it."

Just think about this for a moment. Where did the people that you respect learn what they did?

What's taught in university courses in philosophy used to be the product of people there having worked through what had been thought through and written down by many over the centuries. Where effective, that was a cumulative process. It was passed on to people who showed that they could listen, and learn.

Where people bothered to share some of that with me in the past, I was grateful, I was not abusive towards them.

What you're doing is irrational and self-defeating. A little thought should bring the folly of that home to you. I suggest you read the chapter which I recommended. .

Good education is the process of killing bad thinking.

Hack/Heel/Heal?

leaping up and down slight of hand lee/lie

hack or politician? I would hack the politician 1st and last

The Song Remains the Same/The game \remains of the Song

whats the difference between some hack spinning A story for glory
and A politician spinning A story for glory

Knot much

What's A Pope and what is A Cathilic I wish I could read and right n smell

Books are they for burning? if it feeds your kids mate dont let me stop you

I have A Pig SHE is wonderFull A bit unclean, I dont care about that I have A bath and soap and Flannel..so have you

MMM bacon Buttin/buttys mmm

had enough of u lot, off 2 tickle my pig She Loves it

X marks the spot/I thought G marks the G spot

post 69 that one is my spot..go spot for urself
No Spoons were/are/or ever have Been hurt in the making of this Thingy

"Your piece would have been all the stronger and would have raised more questions with reference to the papal visit had it made the point that what is happening at Our Lady's is becoming normal across the Catholic community."

Which is just to say that the Catholic Church is being subverted, largely from within?

That's how anti-state politics operates.

When people ask what's wrong with that, I find it's usually a complete waste of time answering, as they're either too stupid to grasp what a tradition or faith is, or else they're just anarchists/subversives.

The Catholic Church, like Islam, has always been anti-usury, which means anti-capitalism. Undermine Catholicism, Islam etc, and one increases the number of consumers available for financial services. In the past, I suggest one way that this was done was to establish self-defeating principles within the Church, eg. clerical celibacy as over time, that dumbed down Catholic state populations (as did the anti-contraception principles), which made them easier prey for those in financial services (i.e money-lenders). Judaism, upon which Catholicism was a peculiar departure, has never practiced celibacy, and only proscribed usury within its own church, hence the Pope's bankers were Lombards.




There's more to this anti-Pope and anti-Islam stuff than meets the eye I suggest. It's been going on for centuries too.

"The Winnili were young and brave and refused to pay tribute, saying "It is better to maintain liberty by arms than to stain it by the payment of tribute." The Vandals prepared for war and consulted Godan (the god Odin), who answered that he would give the victory to those whom he would see first at sunrise.The Winnili were fewer in number and Gambara sought help from Frea (the goddess Frigg), who advised that all Winnili women should tie their hair in front of their faces like beards and march in line with their husbands. So it came that Godan spotted the Winnili first, and asked, "Who are these long-beards?" and Frea replied, "My lord, thou hast given them the name, now give them also the victory." From that moment onwards, the Winnili were known as the Langobards (Latinised and Italianised as Lombards)."



Old practices die hard (especially if extremely profitable and
inherited?) This blurring of the genders is classic subversion which drives many nuts.


45. At 10:04am on 10 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

"revealing indeed, by your own admission this time though, 'juggler' "

Without disciplining what one spontaneously thinks with self-critical tools like maths, logic and computing etc, we're all prone to making all sorts of odd errors you know. Learning to apply logic/discipline to what one spontaneously comes up with is a very tedious and humbling experience you know, and it doesn't get much easier with time, it's what a scientist's training is all about, and it often takes at least 10 years of routine graft from starting university before one finds a proper. The rewards, are slight, I think, and largely comprise not making painful mistakes quite so often. It's worth bearing this in mind you know. Some people don't bother to correct others in life and those are the people who don't care Good scientists go looking for others to find fault with their work.


"46. At 10:07am on 10 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#44

what a shame you didn't have the opportunity of learning communication skills in your youth, tb01"

Some people are born beautiful, some are not. Perhaps my communication skills are different to yours?

I think we're largely born the way that we are, and grow into how we were programmed to be at conception Mimpromptu. In my view, living is largely the process whereby we struggle to come to terms with that.
'Learning', as most people think of it, is almost certainly a myth given what is now known from good research, so I think those of us who are familiar with that research should discourage others from believing in harmful mental alchemy given that it's premised on ignorance of the facts.

It take all sorts to make a diverse population, and there's no shame (and nothing to celebrate) in that. We just need to manage it better.

Question: If we literally (rather than just in pursuit of Rawlsian liberal fairness and Social Justice) draw a "Veil of Ignorance" over all individual differences how does that differ from encouraging ignorant behaviour?

Might this not have been how Political Correctness (pursuit of Neo-Liberal Social Justice) has led us astray?


"50. At 11:09am on 10 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#44 correction - it was meant for #43

savaging yourself out, are you? 'good luck' "

I'm afraid I don't understand your post Mimpromptu (and not for the first time either). I am rarely described as savage, more usually I am described as fair and reasonable.

I appear to have had two posts removed. I am not sure why. These posts offered a logical argument in order to highlight the nature of a problem, and possibly point towards a rational solution. I am concerned that the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ may now be censoring rationality where it is not popular.

If so, we are truly on the road to ruin, as this is a variant on book-burning.