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KREMILN FORMALLY BANS S-300 MISSILE SALES

Do we all remember 'Arms to Iraq'? Do we all remember BP breaking Rhodesian oil sanctions? If Russian government is HALF as corrupt and devious as ours, Iran will not be short of missiles.

Remembering Labour Party donations - might the missiles be LOANED?

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A new model of local government?



"The council says it wants to withdraw from directly providing public services in order to reduce the local authority's size, cost and bureaucracy - and build community capacity to enable Suffolk citizens to take greater control of their lives."

A worthy objective, but in reality will probably lead to more services being open for bidding by non-British employers, as with most other services(garbage collection, power and water supply). No doubt the EU will insist on this under some clause or another.

I forecast that by 2012 we will have become Virtual Reality Britain, with most companies and buildings owned by foreign interests, most work outsourced to (what used to be known as) the 3rd world, and any remaining members of our multi-ethnic labour force employed by non-Brits or living on a black economy.

I’m getting as cynical as barrie,but I have an escape-route planned.

Iran has very big friends:



Not so Ralph Miliband:



But it could be interesting.

#1

Which labour missiles? Is it the Milli brothers who'll be 'loaning' them? Or is it Balls, Brown or Mandy? Or even somebody else that way inclined?

#3 I forecast that by 2012 we will have become Virtual Reality Britain, with most companies and buildings owned by foreign interests, most work outsourced to (what used to be known as) the 3rd world, and any remaining members of our multi-ethnic labour force employed by non-Brits or living on a black economy.

I’m getting as cynical as barrie,but I have an escape-route planned.

I think you've got that about right Indi, and I think you could include me as well in your cynical group! I also would have an easy escape-route, but I can't bear to leave all my family behind. It all seems a bit pointless if you can't visit your siblings and children.

Looks like Goldman are at it again:-

This is Jan The Bishop speaking through Duke The Idiot through Marie The Monk.

Kiss me now Hardy.

...And we will meet down the Traff.

CALL THE BLOGDOG - IDG2 AND ECOLIZZY ARE ABUSING ME! (# 3&6)

I'm NOT cynical, I'm just a very naughty boy.

I WAS ALREADY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT COUNCILS ARE ONLY ADMINISTRATORS.

OUTSOURCING (aka sub-contracting) AMOUNTS TO the unavoidable cost of the same work in the same location BUT WITH AN ADDED LAYER OF PROFIT. This means 'economies' must be made (corners cut) to arrive at the same result. I seem to remember railway work was subbed and re-subbed, ending up with incompetent labour and dead commuters. Good 'ere innit!

Councils used to be mother hens to their local brood. That, of course, implied a caring ethos. Long gone.

In Newbury, we have a major cycling route that shares a subway with pedestrians of every age and ability (including blind). I made plain to the Council the situation, then mirrors appeared on the next subway along.
Doh!

THAT OLD GLOBAL VILLAGE MYTH AGAIN (#6)

Oh Lizzy, you are so right. When the Sun belches electrical halitosis at us, and nothing works any more, family deniers will get a rude awakening.

See my recent post about states looking inward and becoming the best HomSap can manage. Small is beautiful. We should optimise BEING as an end in itself - before letting sad, vacuous politicians strut the illusory global village, IN OUR NAME, proclaiming these mad isles 'great'.

Dearest Auntie B,

Why are you talking to a ninibanneds? Are you a sillybanneds?

I don't talk to sillybanneds. I love realbanneds.

Try Nina Simone. ;]

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I have to admit that it's almost a shock to me that the Mili brothers come from a Marxist parentage as they always look very smart and when they open their mouths, they sound ever so posh, to the point that I find it hard to believe that they are 'socialists'. There also seems a degree of pretentiousness about them, particularly David. I thought that straight away when I saw 'the communication genius', as Emily puts it, swooning around the Foreign Office premises, which I also visited when Malcolm Rifkind was in charge, and talking to Paxo doing the programme about 'The Victorians'.

P.S. I never actually met Mr Rifkind face to face but remember sipping red wine and puffing away on the balcony looking at the Trafalgar Square and its surroundings.

mim

YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS MAN

I suggest the Blogdog reads, again, Mr Crick's words (upon which I commented @13) before censoring mine.

'Prehensile' simply means having the ability to grasp. Have you personal acquaintence with a Rubik's Cube blogdog? Or perhaps it is the content of YOUR mind that should be removed?

Six men have been arrested for promoting racial intolerance. They have been released on bail.

They filmed themselves burning copies of the Qu’ran on the anniversary of the WTC suicide attacks.

Qu’ran equals religious doctrine .... or .... Qu’ran equals racial identity ?

Discuss.

"3. At 2:46pm on 23 Sep 2010, indignantindegene wrote:
"A new model of local government?

"The council says it wants to withdraw from directly providing public services in order to reduce the local authority's size, cost and bureaucracy - and build community capacity to enable Suffolk citizens to take greater control of their lives.""

A bit like hiring a painter-decorator to come and refurbish your rooms and finding their service was a sheet of instructions through your letter box directing you to the nearest DIY store along with a bill for the full job.

This is the new anarchistic way, take the money and get the customer to do the work.

I'd laugh if it wasn't an accurate description of our Libertarian politicians and most of the electorate stupidly voting for their own demise.


7. At 4:50pm on 23 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:

As "Blankfein testified in April 2010 "Goldman Sachs had no moral or legal obligation to inform its clients it was betting against the products which they were buying from Goldman Sachs because it was not acting in a fiduciary role". I'm reminded of Aesop's Fable, 'The Scorpion and The Frog'.



It's a simple story, but impossible to learn from.

Some don't see that they're doing anything wrong, as legally, they aren't. A lot of real life is like that these days. I'd like to say learn from this, but as I say, most of us can't, we just complain (but who's listening?). That's why this happens, and it will keep on happening. Cable (and Obama) can make grand gestures, but can any of them amount to anything in their closed system, as who are they instructing? Who are their enforcers? If you look into Hansard back in
2003 you'll see the Treasury Committee 'warning' the CEOs of our banks..........in 2005 Gordon Brown further deregulated.



What does this tell you?

"9. At 5:23pm on 23 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

"I'm NOT cynical, I'm just a very naughty boy."

Indeed, as age and behaviour follows an inverted U, some of us are keeping a diligent/benevolent eye upon your at times unruly, attention-seeking, behaviour (not that admonition seems to be working, perhaps because sensitivity to light-touch regulation is on the downturn
too?)

It would seem that Crick already knows the outcome of Labour leadership contest

What influence did Ralph Miliband have on his sons?


Crick writes:

“But, although Miliband briefly belonged to Labour in the 1950s (and even addressed its conference in 1955), he had little respect for the party which one of his sons is about to lead.�


On another point, Crick seems somewhat confused. Ralph Miliband was an ardent free-market anarchist (especially wrt his association with E. P. Thompson and the New Left and the Frankfurt School). I strongly suspect both his sons are as well...but of course, they would never admit to this in public.

Why did Ralph Miliband oppose 'Old Labour' SO vehemently? It’s because they were essentially Statist.

He WAS a Trotskyist and a Libertarian.

"14. At 7:12pm on 23 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
I have to admit that it's almost a shock to me that the Mili brothers come from a Marxist parentage "

Note: If one is shocked by matters which are common knowledge within one's chosen community, it implies that one has a rather poor grasp of that community's social reality, and a rather grandiose conception of one's place in that community.

I do not mean to be unkind, but you really do need to be shocked
(surprised) more, as a lot of what you currently believe is clearly false (this is clear from what you post each day). Whilst surprise is a precondition for all learning, we do not need (or want) to have constant updates on your private mental (and other) events and that you think otherwise is really just further evidence of your grandiosity. Please try to understand this, as it reflects on you badly.

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yes . i laughed at the usual British State pig philosophy stupidity of islam = race . Some asians think they own the koran and islam and the uk thinks if that is what they think then it is what we think. Its a kind of feedback loop of ignorance that just results in amplification and magnification of the pig philosophy mindset.

if one burnt das capital would that be a race hate crime? anti Semitic?

"THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE CHANGING" (#16 discuss)

So spake St Tony, who conveniently (for him) saw Terror in all directions. This easily transforms ALL acts into threats that can be countered in draconian style. No wonder he wanted 90 days.

The exquisite irony is that we have poked two enormous wasp-nests, both part of the world network of Waspery, provoking a level and extent of JUSTIFIABLE fury, that has probably never been matched. AND: WE NOT ONLY FILMED OURSELVES - WE TRUCULENTLY SENT THE PICTURES ROUND THE WORLD.

Set against this, a few holy books being burned by some self-immortalising hotheads, just does not register. The Bush-Blair Axis of Piety initiated
the Crusade of the Cockeyed, with a Xenophobic Zeal that passeth all understanding. They certainly hadn't got a clue as to the GENERATIONS OF ANTAGONISM it would engender.

There can be (and is) no doubt who the INCITERS TO HATRED are in this whole sorry saga. Ironic that much is being said about the impropriety of leaving MONETARY DEBT to our grandchildren. A bequest of unnecessarily provoked HATRED, surely, is more reprehensible?

Oh it's all going wonderfully well.

...The judge said there was no evidence that Weiner was a paedophile but his conviction for possession of the images meant that he had to be placed on the sex offenders register.

"You will go to prison for a long time. The prison population is not renowned for being particularly fair or reasonable," he said.

"You will be suspected by many of being a paedophile and, like Mr Thompson, you may find that you suffer, both in prison and on release, for the rest of your life."...

/news/uk-england-london-11397515

so these are the same judges that stand on holy mountains and won't send people abroad to prisons yet are happy to send them to ours knowing people will be abused and ill treated perhaps killed? If its not safe to send people to uk prisons then its hypocritical if not racist not to send people abroad.

21. At 8:44pm on 23 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:
if one burnt das capital would that be a race hate crime? anti Semitic?

22. At 8:53pm on 23 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
"THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE CHANGING" (#16 discuss)

Try to see past the apparent religious symbolism. This is basically a conflict over group economics/politics which comes down to the old ideological clash between capitalism (Jews and Protestants) and socialism (Arabs and their allies). In order to keep that from getting hot, it's been sublimated. If one talks about religious issues one misses the point and just looks stupid. Muslims don't do usury. Get it?.

23. At 9:58pm on 23 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

"so these are the same judges that stand on holy mountains and won't send people abroad to prisons yet are happy to send them to ours knowing people will be abused and ill treated perhaps killed? If its not safe to send people to uk prisons then its hypocritical if not racist not to send people abroad."

This is a somewhat eccentric reading of the judgement and sentence surely? The offender was convicted for setting up an allegedly innocent man in order to get him out of the way so that the he could get his job!.

Would any US official like to explain how and why a building that was not hit by anything was expertly brought down in the same time frame as the two that were hit ? I'm sure it takes much expertise, planning, technical skill and more than hours to plant explosives in a building to bring it down so that it drops almost like a stone. A terrorist would not have such access without being found out - you cant just walk into a building with maybe tons of explosives plant it expertly without anyone knowing about it.

Having said that what Ahmadinejad stands for in terms of human rights is repulsive and disgusting. There must be no violence against women who have sex/relationships with whom ever they wish, married or not. Homosexuals and lesbians must be left alone to live how they wish and given equal rights and opportunities.

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i knew someone wouldn't look at what i wrote about uk general prison conditions but only at the specific case and have a wobbly. put the specific case in a sandbox for now and look at what the judge said about uk prison conditions and then look at what they say why prisoners cannot be transferred abroad.

the judges pretend they are some high and mighty guardians whose only care is for the welfare of the prisoner human rights. which is the reason they give to choose to ignore written agreements between government about prisoner transfer. Yet they are entirely happy about sending uk people to uk prisons where they even boast and taunt that the prisoners human rights will not be respected and they they are not 'safe' there.

which makes them double standard hypocrites. there have been many similar judges relished taunting pronouncements to prisoners how uk prisons are not safe places to send people.

#28

Is it you then who is in prison, jaunty? You're not feeling safe?

#29 addendum

Wherever you are, jaunty, are you respectful of other people's feelings and their safety, in fact?

Loved Micheal's report on the Milibands last night :o)

'DROPPED LIKE A STONE' (#27)

A lost cause Flicks. Not only has philosophy left the bog standard psyche, so has logic. It only takes a moment's pause to know the truth of 9/11, but with 24 hour 'truth', coming at us, there is no pause.

USA and 33 other ninny-states walked out, yet what Ahmadinejad said was measured and telling. maybe that's WHY the walked out.

For what it's worth

Now you know why Goldman are in on the Irish act - where ever they are destruction follows.



"The UK is now embarking on Ireland-style austerity. This is misguided because the UK is not tied to the euro and cannot suffer the types of liquidity problems Ireland is now experiencing. I agree with this Guardian article that Ireland’s austerity measures show us how not to do it. The UK will probably double dip as a result of following in Ireland’s path."

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Finding the precise point where a photograph was taken years before can be evocative of so much - said and unsaid.

LEST WE FORGET WHAT NEVER GOT PAST THE BLOGDOG (#27)

I was Blogdogged recently for pointing out our peculiar imprisonment policy, as you describe. How can I put this . . . I pondered out loud a British Guantanamo. I also ondered the British 'right' to bomb Johnnie Foreigner 'elsewhere'. You get my drift?

It's a wise man who knows is own scruples.

Eric king interview with Chris Whalen on the US banks :-

37 - yes I know he is also "talking his book"

27. At 07:14am on 24 Sep 2010, flicks2 wrote:
"you cant just walk into a building with maybe tons of explosives plant it expertly without anyone knowing about it."

Have you ever looked very closely at the demographics of NYC and the school results by group?

The next thing to do is to harness all inductive inference as unrestrained by evidence and statistics it's prone to take one very close to paranoia aka madness. Rely on deductive inference alone. Hence 'conjecture and refutation'. Otherwise one just describes one's beliefs states, and mad people do that all the time, i.e tell us what they believe.

Note: Ahmadinejad is a Civil engineer by undergraduate training, and he's a PhD. He was clearly fomenting a bit of support from dissidents in the USA as well as elsewhere, but note, he was also careful to mention other possibilities at the same time.

#:39

Don't you keep telling us what you believe, mr table, if you believe in anything or anybody else apart from your own 'head' and yourself0?

Well said, singie, about being wise when knowing one's scruples.

mad? 'madam' mim

Talking of smiles for a change:

I've exchanged one with Mr Smith of Newsnight, with him reading a paper i'n a cafe and me pushing my bike. He does have a nice smile.

mim

"28. At 07:56am on 24 Sep 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:
25

i knew someone wouldn't look at what i wrote about uk general prison conditions but only at the specific case and have a wobbly. put the specific case in a sandbox for now and look at what the judge said about uk prison conditions and then look at what they say why prisoners cannot be transferred abroad"

On the other hand, could I possibly know more about UK prison conditions and sex offenders than you? You have to admit, it's possible isn't it? Maybe I picked you up on something you were not seeing?

The simple point is that he was being admonished by the judge. The judge was sending out a message about anti-social behaviour. In prisons, some sex offenders are segregated at their own request) for the own protection, and some are indeed attacked on normal location - but some are not (it's really quite a rare event in fact). The fear of being punished by one's peers is a powerful force in society, it's something which contributes to sustaining social order through social conditioning. Alas, some are only weakly receptive to this conditioning.
That is why so much is breaking down, and why there is far less respect than there used to be. Some without a good formal education think that their knowledge is just as good as those who have trained etc. Get my drift? How has this come about?

When it comes to repatriating non national offenders, a hierarchy of human rights has to be considered. A judgement is made. We get to read about ones which are controversial. That is the bias of the press which loves anomalies. To see how things really work one needs to read Â鶹ԼÅÄ Office or Justice Department statistics. I also suggested you read some Rawls about 'the good'. I also made some suggestions to Barrie too, but he too appears to think he does not need any further education. I disagree. It's a logical point. It's also a good point.......

18. At 7:56pm on 23 Sep 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:

"Why did Ralph Miliband oppose 'Old Labour' SO vehemently? It’s because they were essentially Statist.

He WAS a Trotskyist and a Libertarian"

I suspect many watching the Milibands piece last night will probably not have picked up on this, Crick avoided it/fudged it . Nor will many have looked critically into the history of Tariq Ali and the rise of New Labour from the New Left.

I suspect to this generation, it's largely a case of 'if it's unfamiliar, it's got to be wrong'? It's a wonder to me that they ever learn anything at all! ;-)



How could a group of 'true' Marxists ever want to bring down the state?
That's anarchism surely? That's privatisation. Surely New Labour was not just like the Conservative Party? They had different names!

41. At 11:40am on 24 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

mad? 'madam' mim"

Hold that thought and... try to do as you are told more, and... things may get better you will find.

That's very good advice. Fail to take it, and, I predict, life will just get worse, and that will be entirely your own doing.

#46

Told by you, table? Why? Du I know you, 'educator'? Perhaps I should call you an 'educating table'? Or a 'mr table phd'? Are you a dr of philosophy, table?

#46 update

You are threatening me, table phd, aren't you?

Spare a thought for Stoneleigh (Nicole Foss) an outstanding analyst of the world crisis:-

A knife a fork a bottle and a cork

Greg Palast on the IMF from 2001 - the road to globalisation



Hey Greg you mention the Â鶹ԼÅÄ's Newsnight; spare a thought for the 1000 or
so locked up for not paying the TV license. Would they let you do a piece on that ?



Hey Greg do us a piece about fractional reserve banking see if NN will go with it.


"Maybe it's time to remove the bloodsuckers. "

"47. At 3:11pm on 24 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#46 update

You are threatening me, table phd, aren't you?"

On the contrary, I'm trying to help you to stop making things more unpleasant for yourself at your own hand. I certainly wish you no harm, but I can identify attention-seeking behaviour when I see it. If you read my posts in their entirety you will soon see that I am making the case that the Liberal-Democracies (which in my analysis are largely Trotskyite/Anarchistic these days) have made the environment far more inhospitable for females than the former USSR and its Warsaw Pact allies (and even Islamic or Orthodox Jewish societies) ever did. This shows up in marital/relationship/family instability and in the low birth rate figures. If you look at the UN figures (for example) you will find that since the end of the USSR the birth-rates in the Eastern bloc have also fallen, just as they have here. At the same time, women in particular, who try to take on far too much, end up suffering more psychiatric problems (especially depression), especially as they age. People used to care more about each other, now they don't.

If you do watch Newsnight, do you not think that it might be a tad offensive when a guest was answering a question, if interviewers commented upon their dress/shirt, glasses etc instead of what they were saying? Or worse, if every time someone disagreed with them they accused their interviewee of being threatening, rude or persecuting?

An exercise: below is a link to the actual speech which the President of Iran gave to the UN and to which flicks2 referred to earlier. Note what Ahmadinejad actually said, and what some papers have reported him as saying through selective quotation. One of the things that I am trying to point out is that we all too often fail to report what happens, we often make stuff up, or attend to irrelevancies. When is this done on purpose, and when is it not? How does one decide? Learning not to misreport is actually very hard work and requires considerable discipline and so most people don't bother. Why? is it lack of ability?

Can you see the mess which occurs when people behave that way, and how it can get terribly out of hand? How it has got terribly out of hand?

That is what I mean by doing as you are told. Some of us have spent many years trying to learn to do as we are told. That's what science and professional training is all about. It never stops either. Why would you not want to do as instructed if the instructions themselves made sense? It would be like buying an oven and refusing to follow the instructions.

#44 tn01

Yes, I agree, Crick avoided it/fudged it. But then, I guess, he's 'inside the tent', otherwise he wouldn't be in the senior position he occupies on the NN production team.

Oh dear :o(

mr educating table phd

I don't want your 'help' , thank you, we're never going to agree
These days I'm into wrong attention prevention.

As im sitting on a chair in Queensway looking up at the clouds high up i'n the sky fast passing by, I'm thinking of the astraunots stuck in the space who to Earth for now cannot fly and hope that i'n the end they'll be all right.

mim

#53

Why don't you admit, mr table, that you're trying to train me as if I was a dog?

50 -

is that a marriage proposal - fractional reserve personality disorders at close quarters.

Think you two fancy each other like crazy

heir hitler and the iceskaking poet - everyone


BTW if you watch they tend to take a bit of notice of my dress, visual ideas and views - could it be that I know a thing or two about visual stuff ?

Stephanie Flanders is presenting NN for the first time according to my brain - good luck love

'Larry Summers the superstar economist' - lovely jubbly

"46. At 3:09pm on 24 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:
#46

Told by you, table? Why? Du I know you, 'educator'? Perhaps I should call you an 'educating table'? Or a 'mr table phd'? Are you a dr of philosophy, table?"

It isn't the who that matters. It is the match between sentences and the world that matters. I've explained this to you before with the famous sentence "snow is white" if and only if snow is white. What you, I, and everyone else should be trying to do is focus upon what is said and what is the case, not upon who says it. Focusing upon who says what at the expense of what is said and what is the case in the world is as mistaken (irrelevant) as focusing upon and reporting the colour of Kirsty Wark's clothing when she is presenting Newsnight.

This is what the phrase 'play the ball, not the man' means.

Failure here is sometimes evidence of irrational analysis/thinking or wilful distraction, as it is focuses upon irrelevancies. In extreme form, it is sometimes a symptom of a psychiatric (or organic) disorder such as schizophrenia and dementia. In such instances, talking to the individual rarely if ever changes the behaviour, although some medications can reduce the severity of the behaviour.

#56

you're wrong, flick.

Responses to .....






14. At 8:56pm on 01 Oct 2010, mimpromptu wrote:


Ah .... Edith Piaf ... One song, lots of memories!

But it might be that you are wrong to indirectly condemn her ‘survival instinct’! ( ?Love, Lust or emotional needs!) I do not know what I would have done given the ‘sorrow’ of the French people during those times and I suspect neither do you! I would like to think that I would have gone down with the MP 38 chattering, a Gaulloise dangling and a Mam’selle fawning but ..... Would you, as a woman, really not have used your most valuable assets to survive? Think again! Seriously ...... Think again!

If the French have anything to consider reconsidering sic it is the horror that individuals in the mob used to suppress their own faux pas ..... Shaven heads, tarring and feathering!

Those are crimes!

Consensual sex. A crime? ..... Not!

French women! ......The most beautiful in the world ..... Discuss!

Now there’s a subject for a Nn slot!



At 9:58pm on 01 Oct 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

Forgive me! I was under the impression we all are! Just some can’t admit it ... Even to themselves!


41. At 00:15am on 02 Oct 2010, tabblenabble01 wrote:

Both links .....

Oi’l giv it phoive!


At 01:29am on 02 Oct 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

Were I to be both - assuming I could possibly be wise enough to recognise it or foolish enough to admit it - it would seem to be a little bit pointless as, (by definition of the people ‘on the top deck’) surely one would cancel out the other! Or maybe, perhaps, it would be twice as much ‘fun’ ..... I couldn’t, wouldn’t, shouldn’t possibly comment!

And as for being elevated to the likes of jj, tb01 ( Why did you not add gnuneau? ) that IMVHO is perhaps the first foolish thing I can recall you having said!

If he whom wears the crown, cherishes the crown and defends it ....

Deserves it!

As for the Driving License .... Never had one!

The planet is way too important!