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Mugabe should have been indicted a long time ago, why is it taking so long to bring this man to justice for his horrific crimes against humanity.

The rest of the world should be ashamed for its slow and relative ineffective measures to prevent him from continuing in power and causing so much hardship and suffering.

Mr. Mugabe philosophy of blacks ownership instead of productivity and creativity has created chaos. He must be brought to justice for the loss of innocent soul. Leaders must answer for their actions and inactions

Yes,Mugabe must be indicted for war crimes.There was genocide in Matebeleland in which more than 20,000 innocent people were killed,simply because they did not support his political party.
there is brutal killing,rape and torture of innocent civilains again now ahead of the upcoming elections on the 27th of June.Again innocent people are being totured,killed,raped and displaced for being opposition supporters.Is this what he claims he fought for?to kill his own people?
This has been let to go too far and too long without any effective solution from the international world.Is the international world waiting to see total destruction of the Zimbabwean people before they can do something?Action has long been overdue than the much talk and condemnation without action.

TRYING LEADERS FOR WAR CRIMES - WHERE WOULD IT END?

I am inclined to feel we need to formulate a crime of: POT CALL KETTLE BLACK (no pun).
Or perhaps HYPOCRISY IN HIGH PLACES.
The court could issue a MOTE AND BEAM ORDER requiring any purported Christian to know their Bible and make some small attempt to apply its tenets. Tony would, of course, need a season ticket.

I'm surprised that he hasn't been assassinated yet. Or maybe it is in the "commercial" interest of some nations to keep him alive and in power.

The man is a murderer and should be punished for his crimes.
JMVHO

Mugabe should be removed from office NOW.
Then tried for for war crimes commited whilst in office.DO IT NOW and save futher bloodshed

It's obscene that the world, and particularly the rest of Africa, has stood by and watched while the Nazi Mugabe has committed such horrific crimes upon his own people.
Had he had oil, of course, no doubt we all would have been in there like a shot. If Brown and Co. are serious about becoming world police or whatever they want to call themselves, they should immediately initiate a programme to put Mugabe on trial for his crimes.
Zimbabwe once fed most of Africa, with the world's help, it could do so again.

Schools of thought on Mugabe vary enormously.
Taking his stance on how his Country should be run, free of any white domination, is reminicent of South Africa.
However, he is no Mandela, a man who was in opposition for many years and eventually convinced the white minority of South Africa that there were black people who could run the Country. Although this is questionable, they are being given the opportunity.

Mugabe, accused of murder by proxy, is seen to be concentrating on his re-election in the upcoming election.

Is it a free and fair election? This is a doubtful question. If eliminating your opposition, maiming many to the extent that they will be unable to vote and intimidation is his method of success, he is not worthy of support.

It is suggested that the opposition may not contest the election. This will fuel more violence but from the other side!

Knock heads together, realise that the outcome of any dispute is settled with hands across a table and a signature on paper is my suggestion. The monitors will be gagged if there is an election so the end result will be no better that the present.

...indeed and Blair alongside him...

"A senior Western diplomatic source is reported as saying that Mugabe is moments away from being indicted for war crimes. "

Well what has taken us so long?

Are we so sensitive to the accusation of colonial interference (too late for that I fear) or do we only intervene when strategic assets are at stake?

We should indeed be ashamed for allowing matters to get so far - and African states associated with Mugabe must take their share too – their influence has been ineffective and their silence shameful

He should be tried as soon as the trials of Bush and Blair have concluded.

Yes its a good start and may encourage the other African leaders to be far more critical than they have been to date. There has been a terrible level of violence and intimidation for some years; directed at whichever part of the community is incurring Mugabe's wrath at a given time. We are only now just starting to hear the first comments of dissent from other leaders who together with the international community should make immediate and massive efforts to avoid a real bloodbath up to and beyond the elections. The threat of legal retribution to the whole regime and the international commitment to carry out any warrants will certainly focus minds. But would it encourage or deter future force and would anyone make real efforts to stop it?

The International Court in The Hague,already is prosecuting Charles Taylor,the former Liberian Head of State. Before the risk of further violence following next weeks poll in Zimbabwe, charges should be brought at the Court against President Mugabe,and an international SWOT team of Special Forces (with no British or former Colonial members) deployed covertly to Zimbabwe forthwith to bring President Mugabe to The Hague,to answer the serious charges of which he is accused. By removing President Mugabe this way,the other African Nations can then step in quickly to bring firstly peace,and secondly strategise a "political solution". Only then will Zimbabwe and its people be able to commence the long and difficult task of unifying and re building the country and its economy.

It is incredible that the World has been so indifferent to the horrendous things that have been happening in Zimbabwe under the Mugabe regime. Certainly he should be charged for crimes against humanity, but whether he will ever actually be charged is another question, as to get rid of him will propably mean doing a deal, and letting him go peacefully into exile to a friendly country, to live out his days on the wealth he has created!

Without any hesitation he should at least be thied for war crimes. I prefer the same treatment as Sadaam..exactly. what I would like to know..why are we waiting and watching...no oil?

Lee Fernandez NI

The answer is yes - formally speaking. An indictment of Mugabe may however have very adverse effects for the Zimbabwese people. He would have to be caught and incarcerated first and there is no power under international Law to do so in the present state of affairs. If indicted, Mugabe will no doubt retaliate and use his criminal power to make conditions unbearable for those who are already suffering greatly.

Presumably Mugabe would be stripped of diplomatic immunity if under indictment so that a repetition of the Rome fiasco could be avoided. Equally, President Mbeke would have to either abandon his mediation initiative or be seen to be doing business with someone on the world wanted list.

There is a question of the burden of proof. It is one thing infer the obvious, quite a different matter to trace the thuggery of the veterans directly back to Mugabe. There is also the question of the consequences within Zimbabwe. If he can subvert an election with thuggery, how hard can it be to suppress evidence in the same way? And of course any attempt to dress up the run off as a democratic process would become futile.

The short answer is yes he should be indicted when the time is right. Whether the time is now is an altogether more complex question.

It would be difficult for anybody to argue that Mugabe should not be indicted for crimes - war or humanitarian - given his brutal history and political decisions, particularly regarding the opposition party at the moment. But is this the best and only response from the West? Is it not best for the African Union to be more involved? Surely it helps to prove the immunity of Western leaders who have failed to be made accountable for their actions (not anywhere near as horrific but still internationally criticised), further driving the West away from the developing countries and shattering our credibility? Morality should be universal.

Having said that, I agree Mugabe should not be in power and that retribution for his actions is needed and deserved.

How many people of Zimbabwe do we need to see die before we can charge Mugabe. This is long overdue. All the leaders of the world must come out strongly and make sure this man is tamed. He must answers for his crimes aganist humanity

Isn't this up to the Zimbabwean people? The MDC has seemed focused on resolving the country's huge problems, like hyper-inflation before enacting retribution.

Zimbabweans themselves seem to be advising pressure onto SADC and Mbeki in particular.

What do people think would actually happen if Mugabe was removed by force? I'd suggest his supporters in the army and police was really start a war.

Should we include all those other leaders who have supported him?

Without their support we might already be rid of Mugabe, so they are also guilty of the crimes committed in Zimbabwe.

The West has by virtue of its silence and inaction condoned the actions of Mugabe and so must share the blame for the murder and deprivation that Mugabe has administered.

It is shameful that the rest of the world has stood by whilst Mugabe has made himself rich at the expense of his nation.

When found guilty he should be executed, failing that he should be given to the relatives of those he has persecuted for so long.

It would be nice if, during his remand, all his wealth was confiscated and distributed amongst those that he has tormented

Do you remember Saddam and the action taken against that tyrant? The actions of Mugabe and his followers are totally inexcusable and unacceptable by any standards and he must be brought to justice immediately. The people of Zimbabwe have suffered for long enough.

I cannot believe that the world is just standing by and watching this evil madman destroy his own people and country.
I agree with other comments made in this article that if there was oil involved, his removal would have occured a long time ago.
What a greedy uncaring world we live in.
Shame on the leaders of this so called modern world we live in.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that Mugabe is the only problem here, for around him he has bunch of parasites who have grown used to feeding off of the situation that he has allowed to exist within Zimbabwe.

Widespread greed within the government and the military has overcome any hint of honour or humanity that the ruling elite should feel towards their own people.

Wasn't it Mark Twain that said .... "Fortune and power are most often sought by those least capable of handling it."

If changes are to be brought about swiftly in Zimbabwe, then I fear that they will need to be traumatic.

With regard to proof of his crimes, certainly there are authenticated photgraphs, video clips, and first hand accounts. Amnesty International has documented evidence of 12 deaths just in the last two days. International Election monitors has recently witnessed violence and intimidation, so certainly there is proof suificient to indict Mugabe.

As a former Colonial power Britain has a responsibility to bring peace to Zimbabwe, by whatever means. Sadly, such action is not on the cards!

The man is without doubt a monster and should be executed for his crimes.
But where does he stand in the monster line-up?

Was it monstrous to Invade Iraq on the pretext of WMD's, then change the reason because Saddam was a monster.
He was responsible for many deaths, but I don't think quite as many as the American and British governments are responsible for.
But then Iraq had oil.

I'm not sure why we are fighting in Afghanistan, but I do know we are killing people there.

Look around the world, how many monsters can you see?

The phrase, stones and glass houses springs to mind.

Mugabe's indictment is overdue. The shame of anger, civil wars, disease, economic disparities that have plagued the Africa continent can be blamed on the selfish and ruthless leaders like Mugabe. He is a dictator who has committed serious crimes against humanity. The international communitte as well as African states must move in with speed to save the people of Zimbabwe.

-Charles Ngoje
Church Minister

If Mugabe should then so should Bush (as the 2003 invasion of Iraq was clearly illegal under the UN Charter - even Kofi Anan has indicated this - and this illegal act has led directly to the deaths of many thousands of innocent people (possibly 100s of thousands) as well as to the displacement of over 2 million others). The answer is a very strong "yes" in both cases; clearly both parties would prefer to avoid this and while in power will use that power to mitigate this possibility. This is a test for the entire world.

The more the 'West interferes' with Mugabe the greater chance of other African nations rallying around him.

This is a problem only African nations can solve.

This should be mandatory for the United Nations

And there should be a earlier warning level for other states heading the same way.

These states should be made to present their case/defence to the rest of the world.

Had there been a law punishing the crime of complacency, under which all those who should be acting to stop a tyrant, but not doing that, would be prosecuted, we would have seen the back of Mugabe long time ago.

What has Mugabe done to deserve this propagandist thoughts or topic ? the topic for discussion on newsnight is inappropriate. As a student studying journalism I find this topic questionable. We all know the "Agenda setting theory" and how it shapes peoples opinion. I think a respectable media like the Â鶹ԼÅÄ should act more maturely than this.Why not this question or topic for discussion " Should George Bush and Tony Blair be tried for war crimes? I am not defending Mugabe but this is too much for a media house I listen to everyday and study how they report and respect most.

Where would he stand trial?
- guaranteed before we do anything
Composition of the court
- Look at the Kosovo saga
If he needs to be extradited
- who would do this
For my money - leave him alone or send in a Thatcher/Mann team to deal with him on the spot.

Muagbe should be tried for all his horrible crimes against humanity.
The President of South Africa who should do more, and convince his old buddy to give up power.
God save this poor country

Mugabe deserves to be tried. But who is going to go and get him. The West can't or Africa will call it a post-colonial intrigue.

The AU won't want to as there will be insurgency issues, long term vendettas and the like. They seem hugely reluctant.

Mugabe could have had war criminal status years ago after Bulawayo. If you leave problems to fester they get worse and the AU reluctance means that anybody who takes over in Zimbabwe is going to have a real uphill battle.

Sadly all I can see thats viable is for the West to pressure the UN to pressure the AU and maybe a UN force could go in.

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

#33 Caleb_Eghan

If its helpful, given your journalism studies, to say WHY it is questionable to cover Mugabe.

If the agenda is being set what is the objective? If Mugabe is in power or not there is little difference to Western interests strategically so far as I can see.

His statements and actions make him a dictator in all but name.

You said you are not defending Mugabe - so you aren't a Zanu-PF supporter?

Oh dear! The suggestion that Mugabe should be tried for war crimes must really have him shaking in his shoes! He's got away with his crimes so far - why should he worry now? The reaction of the supposedly civilised world throughout his reign has been beyond disgraceful, but even more has been the inaction and connivance of leaders of the African leaders (including the great Mandela) who could have stopped this monster many years ago but chose not to do so.
Perhaps the greatest shame rests with the United Nations which has now been shown up for what many of us have always felt it was - a toothless, self-serving and in the end unprincipled organisation.

This man called president Mugabe has been in power for almost 28 years now or more. What new policies does he want to formulate into the government that he had not done in those wasteful years? Or for that matter, what new contributions can he make to change the plight of his suffering countrymen and women? My worries really is about those giving him the support. Are there no more men and women of honours in Zimbawe who can call spade a spade?What manner of leader is that who does not take into consideration the sufferings of his people? What is Mugabe's idea of leadership? On whether or not he should be tried, i vote for his immediate trial over war crimes. What is the world waiting for? Has he not killed mained his people enough? Or does the world want a repeat of the Burundi tragedy before Mugabe is tried? Mugabe and his partners in crime are long over due for trial and if found guilty, should be shout with one bullet. Time is runnung out!

This man is as racist as Hitler and should be delt with before he starts WW3. Ignore the skin colour just look at whats he is doing training young children etc etc. Also the way he has no respect for anyone but those who bow down to him.
What I would like to know is why South Africa has done nothing to have an African debate on his actions.
I say leave Africa to itself if it thinks Mugabe is a problem that cannot be sorted.

Anyone allegedly responsible for the deaths of many innocent people or for making many homeless should be tried for war crimes. That goes for the deaths of an estimated 70 and making 25,000 homeless in Zimbabwe and the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands and making millions homeless in Iraq

Zorchdaddy

Well what are we all waiting for - get the monster into court the sooner the better because we all know what the result of next week will be dont we?

However, Mr Brown from the U.K. is not much better really about voting policies. Where we not told that there would be a referendum re the E.U. treaty and what has he done but voted yes without the peoples authority. Maybe he is a little like Mr Mugabe without the violence - he knows best or at least he thinks he does.

Lets hope that the British people remember when it comes to the General Election - I feel sorry for Cameron because of the awful mess that he will have to pick up just like Maggie Thatcher!!!!!

Indicting Mugabe for crimes against humanity would be a salve to the world’s conscience. It would be too little, too late, and any punishment imposed likely to be waived in view of his age. It would certainly not help the oppressed Zimbabweans now. What is needed is for the UN to back its condemnation with actions, sanction an armed force to enter the country to restore order and oversee a regularised election.

Mugabe should not be tried for war crime alone but tried for economic backwardness of the Zimbabwe people. He is a notorious dictator still living in the stone age.

Peter
Nigeria

If Mugabe is not tried for war crimes then all others convicted of war crimes have been unjustly punished. Mugabe is an example of the World's repulsive tolerance the crime that destroys societies' most vulnerable members.

The UK Government should be ashamed of its lack of diplomatic engagement to prevent Mugabe's excesses.

26 - singingpetertee wrote:
'With regard to proof of his crimes, certainly there are authenticated photgraphs, video clips, and first hand accounts.'

My point exactly. Enough proof to put away senior military, police and civil service people for many years - but Mugabe?

In fact, we probably have the same problem if we ever get our hands on Karadic and Mladic. You almost certainly can pin Zrebreica on Mladic - but can you pin it on Karadic?

Anyway, at his age, if Mugabe ever gets to court, he will probably mysteriously develop senile dementia and spend the rest of his days in the luxury of a private clinic. Remember Pinochet?

Is this a referendum? If so I vote the same as #9-MarkBerlin.

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It is important to remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It all depends on who is making the statement.
Mugabe may be a tyrant but certainly the west should not expect african leaders to rise against one of their own especially when there doesn't seem to be a credible alternative to him right now.
Mugabe only needs to let the polls be fair and free for him to attain a huge measure of acceptance. If Zimbabwe had oil, the west would court him, warts and all like the U.S sucked up to Saddam's Iraq till he was almost too much for them to handle.
The west should also beware of creating monsters because like Frankenstein, they may lose control of it. Afterall Mwai Kibaki is not much better than Arap Moi.

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i know it is possible that Mugabe will be indited but what execatly is his crime? is it because he wants to protects what belongs to Zimbabeans?

what about President Kuffour of Ghana who puts members of opposition in prison, grants them presidential padorn and then puts another one in all in the name of causing financial loss to the state? will he also be indited like they are planning to do with Mugabe?

In theory, yes. But you will never get Mugabe to recognise the court or even admit he has done anything wrong

Has the West the stomach for another Iraq style civil war in Zimbabwe if we remove the head of this posionous snake? Who will be strong enough to take responsibility for keeping the country together through the process of rebuilding? Is the world ready for "real" anarchy in central Africa?

The answers are much more complex that the question of proving Mugabe's crimes.

Yes, Mugabe should have been indicted years ago. It was a disgrace that he recently addressed a UN conference.

Mugabe should certainly be tried for war crimes! Many ask, "Why do their neighbours in South Africa look on in dismay?"
The answer to that is simple. I worked as journalist in South Africa for several years and apart from achieving an end to apaartheid, they've achieved very little in the way of empowerment.
Some of you will remember the Sharpeville Massacre which indeed shocked many of us but did not tell the whole story! I was good friends with the local Medical Officer for Health in nearby Vereeniging and it was his duty to sign the death certicates of those killed. The the real figure was 167 and not the figure reported!
What's more, even today, if you're not pro ANC or at least tolerant, woe betide you!
It's the same old story, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The economy is still run predominately by white people and is one of the richest nations on earth.
The Western nations record on human rights is riddled with deceipt and derisory!
However, we choose 'to look on in dismay' rather than taking action! Geoff Brown.

I just can not believe that somebody like Mugabe can just stay on and play his usual game. Politicians from any part of the world are not doing anything to remove him. People in Zimbabwe are starving as there no prospects of any changes soon. It just shows that there is nothing for us to get from Zimbabwe so why should we bother?? I feel ashamed about this, as I was brought up to help other people in difficult circumstances. The future: we don't care (politicians) Mugabe plays his usual game and will stay on for many years till the day that he dies. Please stop this as the people in Zimbabwe deserve a lot better. Hello war crimes, he should have been arrested for war crimes many years ago. But better late than never, get him..

I agree that only African nations can solve this problem, South Africa should lead the way and then others would follow, resolved in any other way will only cause even more bad feelings

Before this tide of emotion gets out of hand, can we at least look at the practical issues. The one thing Mugabe has not done is taken his country to war. He is therefore cannot be guilty of war crimes. The charge is one of crimes against humanity.

I mentioned in a previous post the problem of the burden of proof but before you get that far, who is going to arrest him? He will either rig the next election or win it by sheer terror so it is not going to be the next administration. South Africa is not going to spark a regional conflict so it won't be them. Other sub-Saharan countries will not intervene without South Africa so it won't be them. The African Union is already overstretched and unwilling to act so not them. The Commonwealth has neither the necessary powers nor a mandate. There is no United Nations mandate and even if there was, where is Zimbabwe on the list of priorities when they have not even addressed the Dafur issue effectively yet? Where are the resources going to come from?

Please get real. Talk of an indictment is nothing more than empty words unless somebody is prepared to stop talking and do something. And let's face it, nobody is otherwise it would have been done a long time ago.

Yes, Mugabe should be indicted for war crimes in the Haigh, as also should be Tony Blair, for his illegal Iraq war.
These two men are both probably war criminals and should both be tried.

Mugabe should have been sent to trial years ago. Our "government" and the yanks should have seen to this instead of wasting our money swanning off around the world on their farewell tours. Who do they think they are? They should remember who put them in power and why.

Mr Mugabe is enjoying the immunity the mess in Iraq is affording him as the West seems to realize quick fixes are not really quick in the long run, this is the Bush/Blair legacy to the world.

Whats the point of commenting.
A black dictator is killing black people, the white people are not allowed to interfere.
We can be as outraged and apalled and all the other words that the white polital elite come up with, but there is nothing to be done until Mugabe dies, then we will provide more money for the next dictator to salt away in a Swiss Bank account.
When will we learn that Blak Africa is corrupt and always will be corrupt ther is no solution.
Do not send anymore money or financial packages until they join the the World correctly.
We could invade and run them as colonies, which is the only real option.

Comparing Bush and Blair - whatever their failings - with Mugabe is frankly outrageous and suggesting that they are in some measure responsible for the situation in Zimbabwe so far fetched as to beggar belief.

Stick the point. Should Mugabe be indicted and is it practical to bring him to trial? The answer is yes he should and no it isn't.

Of course Mugabe should be indicted, but only after George W Bush and Dick Cheney.

Absolutely Robert Magabe should be tried as a War Criminal. He has achieved more murders of innocent men, women and children than anybody i am aware of. There is so much that this person has done against his own people. He claims that the Western World has caused the death and ill will that is rampant in Zimbabwe, when the truth is that the Western World has stood back and allowed him to plunder a wonderful country and drag it down into a poor nation of fine and wonderful people.
Robert Joy
Ex Bulawayo

Yes I agree ,war crimes, All he and his ilk deserve is the bullet in the brain,Or,better still let the people who he has harmed deal with him and his minions.

This is an email received from Zimbabwe today:
"Guys power of the people that is working i can asure you but don't kid
yourself back home its power of fear and intimidation and a good
beating.
That is what is working over here and if that doesn't work, well then
the powers that be just make their own minds up while the rest of the
world says 'they can't do that'. Let me tell you guys what is really
happening here.
The big boys of the military, police, malitia and government have
deployed top nasty pieces of work country wide and over seeing the road
blocks, police stations etc.
The police road block stop all cars search vechicles for any weapons,
opposition flyers etc as far as searching inside of your bags. This is
over seen by a cio agent in plan clothes that forces the police weather
willing or not to cause intimidation and problems. The police stations
are being watched by these nasty guys and make examples of any officer
or cavillion who support the opposition The government/ militia go
around towns and rural areas forcing the people to ware their shirts and
shout their slogans. In most cases they force them to rallies and beat
them if they don't look genuine and i'm talking about whites and black
here.
Guys if any one has watched the flim Blood Diamonds well then you know
exactly what is happening here with regards to the kaliba of person and
how they have made the militia.
All of you know they can and will do anything to keep power, in their
minds there is no way in hell they are going to loose it's just not an
option. So enough of sending emails we need action in any form and
getting the politicians and African presidents to act not just talk. The
people of Zim need help and fast. Allot of you non Zimbabweans will say
this is for Zim people to work it out so let me ask you then how do you
sort anything out when the police, government and any law that protects
you are made against you and you are absoluty helpless. So over the next
week all we can do is to wish all of us here back home all the best and
try and hope that people act together and prepare ourselves well enough
and hope that the rest of the world stop talking cause if i called you
all idiots is this going to effect you. No you would have forgotten
about it by the time you sent the next email. Sometimes i think what the
heck am i still doing here, but this is home and we need to fix it,
divorce is not an option. Good luck guys as i think you have more chance
in getting a meeting with Mr. Brown himself than the power of the people
over riding this government by mere talking and i hope to be proved
wrong. Keep well and lets hope and pray for the safety for all Zimbo's
at home."

As a follow on to my last comment. This discussion is pointless as it will never happen. Mugabe has shown how toothless the international community is and the corruption in Africa. The only question is how can Zimbabwe be fixed when no one is abke to do anything?

SAD SPECTACLE

As Kirsty harangued the Zimbabwe ambassador (?) I could not help feeling she was not firmly on high ground, in view of Britain’s recent, ill-founded, lethal adventures. It was, therefore, no surprise when the names of Bush and Blair were invoked in connection with criminal culpability, as a riposte. This is precisely what I was referring to on Mark Urban’s blog yesterday.
When the example we set in our own doings bears scrutiny, it might be acceptable for Newsnight to take others to task. However, I sincerely hope they will resist the temptation, it is not edifying viewing and cannot hope to hasten resolution in lands where we have 'form'

Yes, he should be put on trial for genocide and other crimes against his own people. His poodle Mbeke should stand beside him in the dock as chief accomplace. When Mandella dies Mbeke will do the same in South Africa.

Absolutely, hook him out of there with the Authority of the European International Court of Human Rights without delay.


Get the consensus from a survey of every European and African Leader within the first 24 hours, It only takes one person to make a complaint, and I personally could petition The Council of Europe; never mind
a whole squadron of Presidents, Kings Queens, and an entire "political Class, en masse.

Then demand the surrender of his person within
48 hrs. Backed with whatever overwhelming force would do the trick ten times over.

That, is the way to use power. In such a way that the game is clearly up before it even starts.

Then have him charged within 72, so first thing monday morning if we pull our fingers out, and arrayed within the early part of this coming week.

It needs to be said that Africa has always been the place where ones word is true
as the default stand.

To cognise that what Mugabe has become,
is a corruption of himself is to action the emotional intelligence. He is the one that needs to do the realising.

Clearly he is the keystone of the corrupt,
within the continent of Africa.

General Tang (rats, not sure how to schpel it), The self styled Supreme General Tang Shwe? Is the keystone figure blocking the
paradigm shift in Asia period.

The Dear Leader, in North Korea. And so we go right round the World. Pretty soon we have a Global release of tension and we start to breathe easier.

The whole thing, best defined as a world that works for everyone, with no one and no thing left out. Is primed, and ready to be
manifest.

The beginning of a whole series of Nuremberg type enough is enoughisms, Globally.

And some of us might even remember what it is to be Human.

Accountability is accuracy and precision down to the last penny. The dotted i, and the crossed t.

What gets displaced is the space and place
in which all of that fear based bollix resides.

The human mind.

Its mind-settings.

Its belief systems.

The source of "The System."

Immediately we have the context other-than,

(the human mind, and its inner settings) so,


where we all are is other-than our collective fundamentalism.


Then the pretense that terrorism is not a function of fundamentalism becomes untenable.

Fundamentalism itself becomes untenable.

As all ideologies are doomed to be even before their outset.

And paradox and confusion will lose their mutual sustainability. Neither can exist without the other, and they are the both illusory, as one basic set.

The quote there is "all emotional states can be reduced to the basic two, love and fear.

Of which, one is an illusion."

Then the sure to be sure context, and the current emergence all over the Planet of serendipitous paradigm shift.

Can gather the momentum building currently underneath Barak Obama, as leverage.

As augmented by The Irish just recently, in respect of that; no representation without accountability.

Is the way it has to be.

That which is integral. Seems finally to be sustainable.

And by the way, punishment not only does not work. Ultimately it damages the punisher, as an action, exactly as it is
meted out.

What does work is that authentic authority called hard love.

What works is a culture of acknowledgement.

And in a loving way.

Thus providing the safe space in which a person in error, may safely release their own emotional charge. With respect to only they know what.

Of course Mugabe should be tried for crimes against the people of Zimbabwe. I don’t know if he can be indicted for ‘war crimes’ as technically, he’s not at war with anyone. But whatever charge will take him and his corrupt party out of power I support. But there’s the thing, - it’s not just Mugabe, certain members of his Party have a lot to lose if their period of Dictatorship ends. So I would guess that this brutal dictatorship will continue with or without Mugabe. If Mugabe is to be tried, then all his henchmen must also be tried.

It is imperative that the elections in Zimbabwe go ahead. Their plight leads not only to the starving poor of that country but it has repercussions on other African countries and further afield. If these elections can only go ahead under the auspices of the United Nations, then that surely should be the way forwards. United Nations troops could ensure that the election takes place under fair conditions and once the election is over the U.N would pull out. What is the problem with that? Western Imperialism? What rot is talked. No Western Nation will be in power or in charge, the U.N would merely be facilitating the peace.

So, I would prefer to see a U.N agreement reached to act to enable free and fair voting!

P. Dewar Finch

Of course Mugabe should go but who will make him? It's disgusting that some people link his name with Bush and Blair. They removed a cruel dictator practising genocide in his own country so if they do that with Mugabe will the same people criticise and abuse them again? Rhodesia was rich while Britain was in control,the independence they wished for gave them a madman, extreme poverty, murder, torture and rape. The other African nations must get rid of him and rebuild Zimbabwe themselves. Why should British taxpayers do it again, or more British lives be lost?

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It is interesting to note that you should ask this question regarding the leader of a third world country and certainly as far as I am concerned the answer is a definite YES, Mr Mugabe should be brought before the law, but did you ever ask the same question about the trio Bush (and his acolytes) Blair and Howard, all from so called developed countries, who are responsible for the death and mutilation of well over a million souls, often civilians.... children.... mothers... decent human beings....? and all that just to get to one man, Saddam Hussein to whom they sold all sorts of weaponry probably also including chemical ones for years before deciding that he was an enemy after all, and any way after the twin tower catastrophy I thought the bad guy was Osama Bin Laden? did you question that as well or perhaps those tribunals are reserved for a few Milosevic and second rate monsters from where even Pol Pots and Pinochets and Suhartos did not pass the test...... I'll never cease to be amazed by the human inconsistency to say the least.

It's strange how Mugabe is looked at any differently from Augusto pinochet. Was he not released from the uk to go home and to be free from such an event? maybe if Mugabe had sent troops to Iraq, he could be living quite happily now.

Mugabe needs to face what happened to Saddam Hussein you can see how he is shielding his colleague he is keeping in Zimbabwe after being charged for similar charges that he is to answer.
He should be forcebly removed from power and the Presidency be given to rightful owner Morgain Shangirai

Yes,Mugabe should be tried for war crimes along with his henchmen, but also there are ex politicians(one is still alive in Australia) who allowed this despot to take over Rhodesia and turn it into the mess it is now.

Zimbabwe is not at war. So what war crimes will one level against Mugabe. We have leaders who have committed war crimes and they are living a life of heroes in their countries. As much as Mugabe should be removed from power, this nobody is objecting, but to say he should be charged for war crimes is a misplaced anger. I am a Zimbabwean and the only war that I know we have fought is the war against the repressive colonial regime. As of the disturbances in zimbabwe after 1980, this was an internal civil war where the gvt had to protect the innocent civillians from the dissidents. The disturbances started when there was a disagreement between Zapu and Zanu. Yes the army dealt with this issue with a high handed approach, but dissidents also killed so many people as well, especially those who were purposed to be against them. Mugabe should also be punished for it but at the same time one wonders why Tony blair and George Bush should be receiving rousing welcomes, after all the blood in their hands. How many people did perish under Mugabe? I can be extra vagant with figures by putting it on 30 000 000. How many are dying in Afghanstan and Iraq on a daily basis up to now, they are millions. So given the state of events as they stand, I shudder to think why the culprits are so protected to an extend of wanting to use them to try Mugabe.The Western world should be ashamed for bringing this furuore into Africa. South Africa today is boasting of being a rainbow nation,but wait and see how the unequal treatment of people there is going to brood chaos worse than that of Zimbabwe. Think about the xenophobia and the potential threat that we have with people whose values have been reduced to jobs and food. Mugabe should go yes but indictment? By who? Permit me to say there is no reason to vote in Zimbabwe right now simply because the votes will not bring anything but firther suffering. Mugabe has vowed that he will not reliquish power to the opposition regardless. The opposition is not being allowed to campaign. All the state controled media are canvassing for Mugabe. MDC supporters are being killed everyday. There is widespread intimidation to the electorate to such a level that reports of people dfecting to Zanu is rampant. People are confused and are wondering where this will take us. Biti is in custody now as we speak for saying the truth about Mugabe. Over 500 MDC activists have been arrested since last week, and noone speaks openly about MDC in public. Even campaign material for the opposition is torn and burnt. Even if we vote for Tsvangirai, Mugabe will steal the vote from the people. He has said it that he will never accept defeat from the opposition which he brands 'wESTERN PUPPET" I n a situation like this why should we waste our time and effort going to vote when we know the outcome already. I am living in Zimbabwe right now and I dont know wether I will be alife for the next hour due to the atrocities of the militia which is patrolling everywhere and beating up people. These are the issues we should be discussing other than discussing about indicting Mugabe when we know that those who should do so have hands that are soiled with blood. Where is the AU? EU? and even UN, all have gone into the wait and see mode. A leader's responsibility should be people, but this is nolonger the case in this world where everyone is at the mercy of the Leaders. AU, EU, and UN please come into zimbabwe as a united front and supervise the elections otherwise you are all betraying not only the Zimbabweans, but the whole humanity for failing to take up your position as World leaders. Mugabe is killing his people while all of you are gaping and yawning from your luxurius bedroom suites- Shame on you. You always want to be responsive after calamities, you hate proactiveness because it will make you unpopular? Lets be reasonable and responsible. STOP THE ELECTIONS IN ZIMBABWE RIGHT NOW AND SAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. THESE ELECTIONS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IF DONE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. COME ON UNITED NATION, where is our UNITY when we cant stand together against dictatorship. Intervention will be more than indictment beause you cannot indict from outside before you have taken control.

United Nations must Supervise the Elections in Zimbabwe now. Indictment can only be effected after elections which I know Mugabe will never win when they are done according to the SADC protocol. as for this animal called SADC, I Wonder whats keeping them from acting. Looks like some of them are benefiting from the chaos in Zimbabwe indiviually.

MUGABE SYNDROME

msqueenjay said:
'Rhodesia was rich while Britain was in control.'

But they must have known SOMETHING before we turned up behaving like Gardenforce. Mind you, Gardenforce never felt empowered to lock up a member of the invaded household, for ten years, for criticising the show.
Add to that: his dad walked out and he was educated by Jesuits (another bunch of pushy whites) and you have a good chance he will not play nicely.

The question is of concern for us in Nepal also because we in Nepal also experienced the kind of situation that Zimbabweans are experiencing .In the context of European historical fascisms and Euro-Asian communism, Nepal must consider if the type of leaders like Mugabe should or should not be indicted for war crimes as distinguished from internationa terrorism.Nepal was not a colony of any imperial power ,but it was not geo-economically independent either.Unlike Zimbabwe it has gone into wars with Tibet and East India Company, and now in recent years it was in the throes of Maoist insurgency which in the process killed nearly 15,000 Nepalis.Should 'nt MUgabe be made a model of the leader who meets his nemisis ,and apply that model in the case of Nepal also?I think Mugabe needs to be taught a lesson for what he undid for his cousntry. so that Nepal also can follow in.

Yeah, he should be tried for the crimes he has committed enjoyingly. He should feel the pain and distress he inflicted on the innocents. His properties should be seized and used for the welfare of the state and its susbjects. All these should be done on a defined time frame.

In that case there are so many who might have to tried for worse crimes than Mugabe e.g. Tonny Blair and George Bush and Gordon Brown top the list with crimes humanity internationally, particularly in Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanstan and many other parts of the world.

There are other notorious despotic criminals like General Musharaf of Parkistan, Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, Equatorial Guiney's Obiang, Cameroon's Paul Biya, Angola's Dos Santos, Georgia's president, Israel's whole government. The list is long.

The question we may ask in the end is what has the poor African Mugabe done so seriously this time (which is new ceriminally) that he has not done before to warrant this retributive call for justice by the Europeans and to be tried at the hands of an international criminal court that does not even command an African mandate? Like before, Africans will deliver their own justice when the time comes.