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Nick Reynolds Nick Reynolds | 10:46 UK time, Friday, 3 April 2009

As the Online board of the Points of View Message boards is being closed today I thought I would try an experiment of an "open post".

So this post is for any of your comments or questions about anything concerning Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Online, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ HD, the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's digital and mobile services, and the technology that powers them. You might also find the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer message board and the Press Red blog useful.

If it works we'll do it regularly.

Even though it's a pretty broad field, please try and stay on topic!

Nick Reynolds is editor, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Internet blog

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    When will we see AAC radio/iPlayer streams outside of flash that could be used on other devices (iPhones, media players etc)?

  • Comment number 2.

    When is the user login system coming into play for Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ website? So it can remember the settings wherever I log in? It was mentioned a long time ago as something in development.

  • Comment number 3.

    Is the new sign on system for the iPlayer message board going to be withdrawn given it is quite irredeemably broken and should never have gone live in it's current state?

    Phazer

  • Comment number 4.

    Nick, I have previously complained to PM about the confusion of blogs and forums. In a forum, people can directly reply to a specific post, so a structured debate/discussion can be held. In the comments section of a blog, there is no way to reference other posts. What do you think about this?

  • Comment number 5.

    allanlewis - Not strictly true that you can't do this in a blog (I'm doing it now). This is on our list of technical improvements to blog commenting which we are currently working on.

  • Comment number 6.

    As this is now the replacement for the Online board may I ask you to explain this comment Nick?

    "Incidentally reactive moderation should be an improvement for the community - as conversations should flow more quickly."

    The only moderation that affects the flow of conversation is PRE mod. I
    think that reactive moderation is a reasonable thing to try but I'm afraid your statement shows a complete lack of understanding of the three
    different methods of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ moderation.

  • Comment number 7.

    Press Red is not on the blogs list so how can i try it?

  • Comment number 8.

    I too am interested in the elusive "identity" system that has been hinted at in past blogs. What is this meant to entail and is it any close to coming online?

  • Comment number 9.

    Press Red is at /blogs/pressred/ - it's also mentioned on the right of the Internet Blog.

    We better poke the powers that be to make sure we're on the main Blogs page!

    Andrew
    (of Press Red)

  • Comment number 10.

    Why does the "why is Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ content on other websites" link under the flickr box link to the page about newstracker which isn't really relevent?

  • Comment number 11.

    Please can you answer these one by one and put me out of my misery at not seeing these happen as yet and give me a timescale if they will happen, when or never.

    128k aac+ feed for all music related audio stations ranging from Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Local e.g Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ London Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Devon to National Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ 6 Music, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ 1 extra.
    Will this happen in near future? If not when? If unlikely to happen in next 12 months please reveal.

    When will the time come when I do not have to download Real Player for Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ local stations? similar to above audio quality request which is not a huge demand considering the amount of bandwidth going into iplayer TV.
    Thankyou

  • Comment number 12.

    Nick as the online board is now closed, wouldn't it make sense to post this where people can see it rather than a few minutes before the board that hosted this message was deleted:

    /dna/mbpointsofview/F2131439?thread=6455810&skip=0&show=20

    In future will there be direct links from POV to here, as I hold the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ in such high regard I can assume such things are in motion as we speak.

  • Comment number 13.

    Nick, the link to the now-closed Online board at Points of View is still in your right-hand nav. You might want to change it to link to the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ board.

  • Comment number 14.

    FayeTsar - there should be a link to here from the POV home page.

    slinkythecat - just doing this now.

  • Comment number 15.

    Nick, how do I delete blogs that I have made comments to? I know the convoluted way to unsubscribe from message board threads but not for blogs, ta.

  • Comment number 16.

    Nick,
    As the Online board of the Points of View Message boards is being closed today I thought I would try an experiment of an "open post".

    My own silly fault, I suppose, but I hadn't understood that on the Message boards, closedmeansdeleted, whereas on the Blogs closedmeansunavailable for new comments.

    Is there any way for logged-in users to access their own input to closed Message board threads? Sadly, Google doesn't seem to cache them.

  • Comment number 17.

    @16: They're not deleted properly yet, and can still be viewed...
    - Radio: /dna/mbpointsofview/F1951568
    - Online: /dna/mbpointsofview/F2131439
    ...unfortunately I don't have the Digital board URL stored in my browser, however hopefully that helps.

  • Comment number 18.

    Why is it my posts are disregarded every time I make one regarding radio audio quality?

  • Comment number 19.

    Those of you asking about Identity - have you seen the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer Message Board recently? It looks as though it's being slowly rolled out.
    Not long to wait now!

  • Comment number 20.

    @saxux, *oh*, so that's why there was that bit of space on the right of the explore button. Very nice.

    I really should have followed up #2's comment as that would have answered it for me.

  • Comment number 21.

    Message 20 Hymagumbaa

    "@saxux, *oh*, so that's why there was that bit of space on the right of the explore button. Very nice.

    I really should have followed up #2's comment as that would have answered it for me."

    Sorry, Hymagumbumba, but you've lost me with that - I'm just a message boards poster who doesn't have much of a clue about blogs.

    No disrespect to you intended, but I know from reading a few of your previous posts you are knowledgeable in the way of the "behind the scenes " style of things with messageboards and blogs etc, but I am not and I really don't understand what you are getting at here! :)

    Sorry..........

  • Comment number 22.

    ......then meant to say, can you explain to me what you mean in comment 20? Thanks :)

  • Comment number 23.

    Hi Nippie Sweetie,

    sorry about that going over your head. I'll have another go.

    There's been a few blog posts on here in the past mentioning a thing called "identity" which is to be the new sign in system for bbc online. It'll be replacing the current one that i believe is called "single sign on" and was brought in in about 2002/2003(?)

    Sasux, in comment 19, pointed me towards the iPlayer messageboard which is actually trialing the new system which I'd not seen before and if you go and have a look you'll see how the bits and bobs for it live on the right hand side of the big black Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ header.

    Finally the bit about #2 was referring to how comment number 2 was complaining about a "new login system" and I should have put 2 + 2 together and had a look at the iPlayer message board.

    Oh you might have guessed this but @sasux means I'm replying to a commennt by sasux and #2 means I'm referring to comment number 2.

    That make sense?

  • Comment number 24.

    #4 allanlewis

    Allan, as Nick's #5, says, you can already reply to posts on the blog threads, though at a minimum you should quote the post number [unlike the message boards it never changes, even if the post is referred or removed] and the user's moniker. As you can see from this post, you can also use HTML formatting to automate the links. It would certainly be an improvement, though, for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ techies to provide a simpler mechanism of creating them.

    If you're interested in using HTML, take a look at my #84 on the New ways into blogs thread and my #75 on the same thread containing more about HTML.

    The Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ used to publish a guide to what could be used, but in the absence of one a number of posters have been trying to establish empirically what works and what doesn't.

  • Comment number 25.

    #6 Frank_N_Post
    "The only moderation that affects the flow of conversation is PRE mod."

    Well said, Frank, and I couldn't agree more.

    It's obvious that, as the Beeb's Types of moderation says, pre-moderation is needed for "[a]ll of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's children's message boards". It's equally obvious that post-moderation is the most satisfactory for the user because it requires no additional effort from him or her. OTOH, reactive moderation is clearly cheapest for the the Beeb but requires other users to take a more responsible attitude in shopping messages which go over the top.

    Granted that the Beeb needs to protect itself against legal or other action [yesterday's £150K fine will have concentrated the collective mind wonderfully!], I cannot for the life of me understand why they don't use the other option available to them more widely. This is to make more use of account pre-moderation, as explained on Why hasn't my message appeared?.

    This is surely the fairest way of ensuring that the punishment fits the crime!

    Without wanting to remove the mods' flexibility entirely, I would suggest that this be codified in normal cases as something like: 10 posts pre-moderated for every message removed for breaking house rules and/or 10 posts pre-moderated for every 5 unjustified complaints about other users' messages.

    The greater tolerance of unjustified complaints would, I think, be necessary to ensure users were not so concerned at the possible retribution on themselves that they failed to make complaints in marginal cases.

    A move to such a moderation code should allow to move virtually all except a few threads to reactive moderation, allowing the political threads to move to post-moderation as a sort of probation, leaving only the children's threads pre-moderated.

    If the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ techies think such a schema would be hard to implement, I'm prepared to offer my technical services for free in the common weal!

  • Comment number 26.

    Nice and simple one from me. Could you add Formula One to the list of sports options on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Page. I've got Motorsports selected but the first news item there says "Formula One has moved >>>>"

  • Comment number 27.

    PS to my #16 &
    #17 TheBroll

    Obviously I was being a bit premature there, the messages on the closed POV Online threads seem all now to be available here.

  • Comment number 28.

    @Brownedov
    Users can access their own input to closed Message board threads by clicking on the 'Your discussions' link at the top of the Messageboard page, next to your nickname just under the POV banner.

    Here are links to the closed boards:
    - Radio: /dna/mbpointsofview/F1951568
    - Online: /dna/mbpointsofview/F2131439
    - Digital /dna/mbpointsofview/F1951572

    john

  • Comment number 29.

    #28 jtemplar
    "Users can access their own input to closed Message board threads by clicking on the 'Your discussions' link at the top of the Messageboard page"

    Thanks. I do realise that's the case now. The problem was that my post jumped the gun last night since temporarily the 'Your discussions' link was completely empty while the threads were being physically moved to the new Deleted category.

  • Comment number 30.

    Message 23 Hymagumba

    Thanks - yes that does make sense to me now!

  • Comment number 31.

    #25 Brownedov

    I agree that it is important that licence-payers money is not wasted in paying OffCom fines or other legal actions.

    Many of us prefer posting on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ precisely because there is a measure of control over what we post. We don't want obscenity ridden posts, but rational (or even irrational) argument.

    Account moderation seems the most sensible approach. Thos of us who have previously risked slightly risque posts would be less inclined to do so, were the punishment a return to pre-moderation.

    I remember attending a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Conference where the Head of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Training said "The IT Department IS your enemy". Given a dictum from Senior Managers to avoid the risk of legal action, their response is usually to impose draconian limitations.

    Account moderation is a far more appropriate system, and is clearly embedded within the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ structures - if only they had the sense of balance to apply it.

  • Comment number 32.

    The three and four hour delays in posts due to pre-moderation kills extensive discussion of a topic.
    I do see the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's worries over possible problems with being held liable as publisher in moving to post or reactive moderation, however that they have
    a) pre-imposed an onus on posters to obey the law,
    b) clear guidlines for posters as to what is an "unsuitable" post,
    c) clear guidelines for posters as to what actions may be taken against them for individual and/or repeated "unsuitable" posts,
    d) a warning that posts will be stored and that the Data Protection Act applies,
    e) systems to identify and remove "unsuitable" posts and
    f) systems to debar persistent offenders from posting
    should mitigate any damage to their reputation.
    My preference would be for a mixture of reactive and account moderation.

  • Comment number 33.

    In addition to the above comments, I am led to believe that when one of us presses that "complain" button underneath a comment the comment itself vanishes and is replaced by a note saying its been referred to the mods. This should also be of some assistance should it not?

    The only time I can really see pre-mod being needed is during very heated debates on HYS and when you have the type of people who went around naming Baby P's mother in defiance of the court order because "we need facts" and other such nonsense. The majority of the time I agree it's annoying.

    Another thing that irritating, I've been a bbc.co.uk member since about 2002 yet upon posting on the radio 4 message board for the first time the other day I was pre-modded as if I was a brand new signup. Surely this should be global which would reduce the burden?

  • Comment number 34.

    #33 Hymagumba
    "I am led to believe that when one of us presses that "complain" button underneath a comment the comment itself vanishes and is replaced by a note saying its been referred to the mods."

    Yes, occasionally it happens almost straight away when the mods pass a query up the line, but the really annoying thing is that on the political threads like Nick Robinson's and Brian Taylor's, all of the posts have already been pre-moderated - on weekday evenings the process often taking 3 to 4 hours. My guess is that less than half of those referrals are removed, and most of those are for overdoing quoting of copyright material, which the House Rules make clear is not an exact science, the rest being mainly a mixture of over-robust language and straightforward spam.

    As handclapping's #32 says, there are already a raft of safeguards in place against this sort of thing.

  • Comment number 35.

    Please mihgt the editor of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Two Ceefax Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Travel pages 460, 461 and 470 consider discussing their content wihtthe relevant Government Departments in the light of the new Direct Gov pages that appear on Analogue Channel 4 Text pages 750 onwards?

    None of the three pages has a Red Button equivalent on The Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ.

  • Comment number 36.

    Please could you sort out the blog list which is reached from the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Page. I suggest specialist lists of bloggers by area: News/politics, Arts Music Science (yes there is one!) Education (copy over the correspondent on News/ Education) Technology, Health, Ethics and Religion (apparently a Scottish / NI specialty, Business (not finance!) AS WELL AS the Programme Lists. And could the lurking bloggers (no posts for two months) be told to put up or 'die' and be buried!

  • Comment number 37.

    cping500 - we have a project in train to refresh the blogs home page.

  • Comment number 38.

    Nick, Can you get one of your colleagues on here to explain how to Quote properly?

  • Comment number 39.

    How do you maintain a dialogue here when there are 5 hours between posts?

  • Comment number 40.

    What happened to the link to POV from the blog's "Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Blogs and Boards" links?

    I know you've decimated (well not exactly decimated, as that means getting rid of 10%, whereas you've outdone yourself by getting rid of 60% [seximated?]) the POV boards, but surely a link back to somewhere you can "Discuss any aspect of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ - our policies, the licence fee, the way it is managed and governed and press coverage of the Corporation..." would be useful.

    Then you wouldn't need this bizarre open blog and can instead have actual viewers and listeners tell you what's really "Interesting Stuff" to them.

    It would also render the "S" on the end of Board no longer redundant.

  • Comment number 41.

    As a replacement for the Online board this Blog is [so far] spectacularly inadequate.

    Just ignore me [you were anyway, ;)] whilst I see if I can do one of those snazzy links.

    Moderation

  • Comment number 42.

    Hmm, well that's a work in progress. I created a snazzy link but not to the intended Moderation page.

  • Comment number 43.

    Nick, I asked this of you on a message board but you didn't answer.

    Why are their DOGs on the iPlayer?
    The Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ has always maintained that DOGs were to help viewers navigate the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's offer in a competitive multi channel environment. How can that be when there is only one channel on iPlayer, it is only Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ, and it is presented within a window that is dominated by Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ branding? Just who is that DOG aimed at helping?

  • Comment number 44.

    and now I have spotted my schoolboy spelling error, why is there no edit facility here? and why is the blog forced delay for posting a second post much shorter than the 3 minutes on MBs?

  • Comment number 45.

    Now that Ceefax pages 690-694 are no longer needed for Greyhound or Horse Racing, please would Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Information consider improving its Ceefax equivalent of the Online About Us service? I note the limited service under Contact Us on Red Button page 9990.
    Firstly: Change Minicom to Textphone and 695.3 (Studio Audiences) and Red Button Page 9990 Contact Us and accompany Textphone numbers on Both Ceefax and Digital Text with β€for deaf, hearing impaired or speech impaired peopleβ€ rather than β€The Deafβ€ and so on.
    Make a new Page 690 as the Index for pages 691-699
    Make a new Page 691 Tickets for Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Shows and Events including Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Proms adn othe Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Performing Groups' Concert, Tours of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Buildings, Details of Doctor Who Exhibition;
    Make a new Page 692 Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Shop; Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Archive for TV and Radio; Viewing material at bfi and bfi Southbank in London , National Media Museum in Bradford ; listening at National Sound Archive in British Library;
    Make a new Page 693 Contact Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ News’ NewsWatch; Contact Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ One’s Points of View; Contact Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Radio 4’s Feedback;
    Make a new Page 694 Contact TV Licensing;
    Update Page 695 so as to include only Contact Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Information or Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Complaints; Contact Ofcom
    Update Page 696 for Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ HR Direct: not only Jobs,but also Training and Work Experience
    Page 697 Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Digital: Advice on how to go digital
    Page 698 Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Reception Advice: Help receiving Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ TV and Radio thoroughtly reviewes so as to include FAQs though perhaps not the Good Ceefax Reception as this does need Good Ceefax Reception if one is to view the advice there in the first place
    Page 699 A-Z Index for pages 600-698

  • Comment number 46.

    Hello Sue_Aitch

    On the Travel pages missing from Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Red Button (460, 461 and 470), I'm afraid there's no plans at this time to add them in.

    For the help pages, I'm about to go through and compare what we've got on Red Button with Ceefax to see what we should have, and what we need to re-write.

    Andrew

  • Comment number 47.

    Why can't I see the first 20 posts, even when I press the 'previous' link?

    I was going to repeat my question from my first post on this blog - seeing as I'm still waiting for a response - but I can't find it.

  • Comment number 48.

    #47 Nippie Sweetie
    "Why can't I see the first 20 posts, even when I press the 'previous' link?"

    The way the blogs work is very different to the way the POV message board works. Instead of getting 20 posts per "page", on the blogs [like this one!] you get up to 500 posts on a page.

    If you go to the top of this thread [pressing Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ usually does the trick], you should be able to see all the posts so far. Pressing PgDn should take you through them a few at a time.

  • Comment number 49.

    re: the missing first 20 posts. Nippie is right. I get that too. It appears that if you are not logged in these inexplicably don't appear. Login, and they appear. No logic to it.

  • Comment number 50.

    #49 Officer Dibble
    "re: the missing first 20 posts. Nippie is right. I get that too."

    OK. Looks like that's another thing the techies should investigate, but it seems only to apply for those coming from the message boards. If you first registered on the blogs or HYS, you get to see all the posts even when logged out [after clearing all caches, history and cookies]. I did have to go through a brief login process to enable my account for the POV threads. It could be the reverse process that has a small bug in it. If you use a freeware cleaner like , you can select which cookies to retain whenever you clean up your history. I've allowed all bbc.co.uk cookies for some years to get logged in automatically - without ill effects to date, but if you disable cookies or completely remove them from time to time, that could be the source of your problems.

  • Comment number 51.

    For Andrew re 46

    Thank you for this

    I've recently spotted that Ceefax Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Two 461 is sort of covered on the digitral NHS Choices pages now - see Freeview EPG 100 Press Blue then dial 704,
    and Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Two 470 by is covered for a lot of the content on Digitalgov on analogue Channel 4 Teletext pages 776, 793 - see also Freeview EPG 106 Press Text then select from the menu. Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Infromation is now aware of the right phone numbers thet need to be put on the presnt Ceefax pages following HM Govermnent going to 03 and 0845 numbers in September 2008.

  • Comment number 52.

    Brownedov

    I signed out and managed to see all the comments but then when I signed back in, the first 20 posts had disappeared again.....and then the 'Post a comment' box had disappeared, so I had to sign out and back in again!

    Oh well, never mind. :)

  • Comment number 53.

    #52 Nippie Sweetie

    That's beginning to sound like a browser issue. There was some discussion of this on the New Look For Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Blogs thread, which suggested that users of Opera, Safari and Chrome have various problems with the new look, whereas Firefox and MSIE generally work OK with the new look blogs.

    Do you get the same problem on the old look blogs like Blether with Brian? If so, you may have a problem either with your ISP caching the pages or with your own browser's Refresh settings.

  • Comment number 54.

    Quote:"suggested that users of Opera, Safari and Chrome have various problems with the new look"

    Or rather the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ blogs are not compliant. half baked, mal-functioning. Why don't other blog sites have these teething problems? A: Because they buy a cheaper, professional solution that is proven.

  • Comment number 55.

    So Nick, What is your verdict on the effectiveness of this Open Blog?

    I see multiple, interwoven themes, many questions hanging on for a reply or answer, no way to reference or quote related posts, and traffic drying up for days at a time. Verdict: a useless mess.

  • Comment number 56.

    HTML is not easy. I've just tried to show Officer Dibble how to
    reference a post (in the way that Brownedov does) and paste a link
    to the h2g2 page that explains links etc.

    Well I've given up, I made a minor error and my copied URL disappeared.

    I then tried to show how to do italic and bold and
    there was an error message that I didn't understand.



    Of course none of this would be too irksome if Nick would visit this
    Blog and answer our questions.

    Nick, you have been here twice in six days (whilst posting many times
    on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ board). What's going on?

  • Comment number 57.

    Thanks for trying Frank_n_post.

    But this is meant for normal people who don't want to become techies to use a simple blog or message board...

    Every other message board and blog has a full and working feature set... but the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ has consistently re-invented that wheel, and failing.

    The irony is, elsewhere the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ spends money like water trying to patronise us and telling grannies to suck eggs. What a waste.

  • Comment number 58.

    #56 Frank_N_Post
    "HTML is not easy"

    I fully agree, and demonstrating HTML coding in HTML is even harder because of the special coding you need to use to demonstrate the reserved characters: &lt; for < for example. It really wouldn't be hard for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to publish or link to such a guide, but the really odd bit is that they don't publish a list of supported tags anywhere.

    At least they have introduced "auto" links of late, so if you paste in a full URL beginning with htt.. it usually works.

    #57 Officer Dibble
    "But this is meant for normal people who don't want to become techies to use a simple blog or message board..."

    Absolutely. I see that Yahoo are using a WYSIWYG HTML generator control on their discussion groups. Such things have been around in the public domain for a decade and are not rocket science either to install or for inexperienced users to use.

  • Comment number 59.

    Message 50 Brownedov

    "Looks like that's another thing the techies should investigate, but it seems only to apply for those coming from the message boards."

    Yes, that's it Brownedov!

    I logged in to the messageboards and when I came here it says that I am currently logged in, but not all messages appear.

    I logged out of the messageboards, came here, logged back in here and voila, all the messages appeared.

    What a palaver!

    Nick, this one's for you guys to sort out.

  • Comment number 60.

    Any idea when the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Parliament section will get updated? At present this site is a mess . Whilst I imagine ratings for the channel are low it is still a channel, it would be nice for that site to use the current Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ site layout. I notice the schedule page /parliament/programmes/schedules has a nicer header.

  • Comment number 61.

    Why on the Talk Scotland page, are we only allowed to talk about River City? Is there any chance of having other topics to discuss?

    There are several pages on the Talk Back: Northern Ireland and Talk Wales sites and I see that there are none at all for England!

    /messageboards/newguide/messageboards_a-z.shtml

  • Comment number 62.

    #58
    Brownedov

    "HTML is not easy"

    "I fully agree, and demonstrating HTML coding in HTML is even harder"

    Thank you for that Brownedov, I'm finding it frustrating. These Blogs are very difficult to follow without referencing, quoting etc.

    Unfortunately Nick thinks that this 'Open Post' has been a 'success' and will repeat it. Having read the bbc.co.uk topic, when Peta was a Host, I have to say that I find it a very poor substitute.

  • Comment number 63.

    Nick, can you tell us what stage Tom is at with his "improving comments" project.

    /blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/how_can_we_improve_commenting.html?dnafrom=20&dnato=40#dnaacs

  • Comment number 64.

    Nick..post 43 was a question to you. A week later and no response (to mine and all the other questions here). Are you the owner of this blog?

  • Comment number 65.

    Officer Dibble - I have answered some of the questions on this thread and so has one of my colleagues. I assume that the DOG is on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer to tell you you are watching a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ programme. As the iPlayer goes on lots of different devices and platforms then this makes sense.

  • Comment number 66.

    Thanks Nick, you have exceeded my expectations again. I am now fully enlightened.

  • Comment number 67.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 68.

    "I assume that the DOG is on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer to tell you you are watching a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ programme."

    But I thought the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer was the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's own brand name and that the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer shows only Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ programmes, so why bother with the DOG?

  • Comment number 69.

    Found the original question that I asked (message 15).

    Nick, how do I delete blogs that I have made comments to? I know the convoluted way to unsubscribe from message board threads but not for blogs, ta.



    Would someone/anyone please enlighten me.:)

  • Comment number 70.

    sorry to be general but does anybody knwo when Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ2 will be broadcasting The Tudors season 3 ???

  • Comment number 71.

    No need to apologise Jennapaul, as Nick says at the beginning of this blog:

    "As the Online board of the Points of View Message boards is being closed today I thought I would try an experiment of an "open post".

    So this post is for any of your comments or questions about anything concerning Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Online, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ iPlayer, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ HD, the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's digital and mobile services, and the technology that powers them."

    No doubt you'll be pointed in the direction of the Points of View boards, as your query will be classed as being "off topic".

    The POV boards can be found here /dna/mbpointsofview where I'm sure you are more likely to get a response than you post here.

    :)

  • Comment number 72.

    Sorry, meant to say

    "where I'm sure you are more likely to get a response than if you were to post here."

    :)

  • Comment number 73.

    I just got this error trying to follow a link to another of Nick's blogs from a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ auto generated moderators email:

    "The following error occurred: An unknown error has occurred" What does this mean Nick?

    and why do all your blogs not have quote function, and the links can't be seen? and we can't be notified of replies? and I can't get back to Message Boards? and they don't allow some characters?

    Did you not test it before launch?

  • Comment number 74.

    Re my message 15, posted on 3 April 2009.

    "Nick, how do I delete blogs that I have made comments to? I know the convoluted way to unsubscribe from message board threads but not for blogs, ta."

    Andrew Bowden answered me on The Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ section of the Points of View messageboard a couple of days ago that

    "The blog comments system does use the same underlying technology as the message boards. So there will be a convoluted of un-subscribing a blog post you've commented on, from your Blogs profile page.

    Just don't ask me what it is!"

    So Nick, can you please tell me how I can unsubscribe to blogs. Thank you.

  • Comment number 75.

    Just found out that Nick has started a second Open Post here

    /blogs/bbcinternet/2009/04/open_post_20092404.html

    so please continue to ignore my question as I have now posted it there as well.

  • Comment number 76.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 77.

    Why are there two open blogs?

  • Comment number 78.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 79.

    Hi Nick,

    Is there any way to edit a comment once it has bee posted? I would occasionally like to change spelling mistakes and I am not sure if this is possible
    George

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