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	TX: 11.09.09 - Disability Sailing PRESENTER: HENRIETTA HARRISON

	Downloaded from www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 THE ATTACHED TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT. BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF MISHEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE 麻豆约拍 CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS COMPLETE ACCURACY. HOLT We're here on the Beaulieu River. It's a bit of a windy morning this morning. What we are - we're on the pontoon, I'm in my wheelchair and I'm about to reverse up onto the hydraulic ramp that's going to lift me up on to the deck of the Impossible Dream. She's a unique boat, she was custom designed and built two or three years ago for a chap who's in a wheelchair himself, so everything from start to finish has been carefully considered for someone in a wheelchair. HARRISON This is a practice run if you like for the big trip in December, can you tell me who's on board with you? HOLT First of all we've got Susannah, Susannah's from New Zealand and Susannah's going to be my companion on the trip, my carer, my physical carer. HARRISON How experienced is Susannah? HOLT In what? In sailing? In sailing not very experienced but that was my criteria. I didn't want any accusations when I get to the other end that someone else did the sailing. HARRISON So you're on a sharp learning curve then in terms of just knowing the very basics of moving around a boat? SUSANNAH Yes a very steep learning curve, yes. Balance is one and throwing up over the side is another. HOLT And coming through to the main saloon now I'm going to introduce you to Mike - Mike Brown is the owner of this beautiful boat and very kindly allowing me to borrow it. The first thing we've got to do is start the engine. They're quite quiet, I'm not sure if you can hear those - there's two engines being started. So now the engines are running. The next thing Mike's going to need to do is start slipping the lines. HARRISON Bit of a tight spot here. HOLT It's very much a tight spot. The river is so narrow. HARRISON It sort of reminds me of getting out of a difficult car park. HOLT Yeah it has that feel doesn't it. You notice that Mike's got complete control of the boat there, there's... HARRISON Have you Mike? BROWN [Indistinct words] very bottom of the tide here, so there's very little room to manoeuvre and it's a big boat, it's eight metres wide and it's nearly 20 metres long. HOLT We're in deeper water now. HARRISON Why do you think sailing is a good sport if you have a disability? HOLT I know I'm biased but I genuinely feel people use this term level playing field a lot but it genuinely is. I'm high level quadriplegic, I'm out with my mates on the boat today, I can race my dinghy against the likes of Ellen McCarther, Ben Ainsley, Robin Knox-Johnston, I can do that because the boats that we sail are - once you're in the boat you almost leave your disability on the pontoon. I was at a regatta yesterday, I was prize giving at a regatta, and the guy who won it was a guy called Keith Harris, the only thing Keith can move is his tongue and Keith won the regatta. Now you try explaining that to people that he sailed using his tongue, it is phenomenal. Yet Keith was beating much more able bodied people than him. Sailing just gives him the freedom and the independence when he's out there, he just loves it. And there's no excuse. I say to people if Keith can sail using his tongue don't give me this I'm tired business, there's no excuse. HARRISON You would prefer to be doing this trip on your own, can you just explain to me why you can't do it solo? HOLT Okay I'd like the opportunity to answer that question because it raises all sorts of issues. I had my accident 25 years ago, I was a fit healthy able bodied 18 year old lad but in that split second, when I broke my neck, my life changed and it's taken a long time to come to terms with it but effectively I'm paralysed - I cannot feel and I cannot move from my chest down. So the one thing that this disability has taken away from me, which affects me most, is independence. And what I mean by that is the ability to get myself dressed, the ability to get myself in and out of my wheelchair. Like it or not I need care. And if the one thing I could change - if I could change anything that would be it, but I can't. So what are my choices? Do I sit at home and wish that I could sail the Atlantic and just get a bit fed up that I can't or do I just accept that I need care, find someone to provide that care and then go away and do what I want to do? SUSANNAH I'm Susannah Scott and I'm Geoff Holt's personal carer for his Atlantic voyage. HARRISON So you're actually going to cross the Atlantic, aren't you terrified? SUSANNAH Oh yes, completely terrified but I think it's better to be a little bit anxious than not be worried at all because you don't mess with the sea. HARRISON What's your experience been of the sea so far, I mean how have you been getting on with what you have done? SUSANNAH When we brought her back from Plymouth it was a bit rough, I was a bit ill. It'll happen - I'm going to get seaside but I'll just power through it. Having been out on the boat I know that I can be sick and still help Geoff, which is what I'm here to do. HARRISON Have you had any experience of doing something as challenging as this? SUSANNAH No, I haven't done anything like this at all, it's completely unique and it's just such an amazing opportunity that I couldn't turn it down, it's a once in a lifetime chance. So I'm excited. HOLT We're at least two thirds of the way down the Beaulieu now. We've just gone past Bucklers Hard, we've got about another mile to go before we get out of the river I suppose. You'll notice it's getting much wider now. HARRISON Nice weather. HOLT The sun's come out for us hasn't it, it's beautiful. BROWN I'm Mike Brown. I broke my back 15 years ago which meant that I had a major change in lifestyle. HARRISON And this is your boat? Just give me an idea of how this boat has been adapted. BROWN The first major problem is getting on and off the boat and we solved it by having cutaways on the side of the boat and having hydraulic lifts which allow the chair to go down to sea level. The second problem is getting access inside the boat to accommodation and toilets. So that's meant that we had to replicate the lifts on the outside of the boat inside the boat. Then of course you need to control the sails on the boat. And so we've got a big hydraulic system which does all the sail handling at the touch of a button. HOLT I'm going to push unfurl, outside you'll see the sail unrolling. There we go. The engines are off as well now so we're actually sailing now, just with that one sail we're being pulled along at - what speed have we got Mike? I think five and a half knots with hardly any sail out at all. HARRISON That means it's windy. HOLT It means it's very windy yes. Okay shall we put the sail away then? Are you happy with that? Okay what we're going to do now, I think we've had a nice little sail, we're about to turn the boat round, we're about to bear away from the wind, go downwind and then point back towards the Beaulieu. HARRISON So you're setting off from the Canary Islands to the Caribbean I think on the 10th December, where will you eventually end up and can you explain why that's an important personal journey for you? HOLT The end destination is a beach and that beach is called Cane Garden Bay and I think it's in Conde Naste's top 10 beaches of the world. It is a stunningly beautiful beach on the island of Tortola which is in the British Virgin Islands. And the reason that I want to end up at that beach is because 25 years ago I left that beach in an ambulance and it's the last place that I ever walked. I'm not nostalgic about these sorts of things but in a strange way there's something quite nice about having left that beach 25 years ago having become paralysed and lost my livelihood as a yachtsman and the real pleasure in returning 25 years later, arriving at that beach in a 60 foot catamaran which I've sailed across the Atlantic as a quadriplegic yachtsman. And I just think that's quite fitting. HARRISON It's going to be a good feeling. HOLT Yeah, it's going to be a lovely feeling. 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