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the bbc trust...
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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by wolfie (U15842015) on Thursday, 26th February 2015
is it fit for purpose...
should it be abolished...as some have suggested... -
Message 2
Posted by old git at 70 (U14213449) on Sunday, 1st March 2015
is it fit for purpose...
should it be abolished...as some have suggested...Μύ Probably, as Jefrey Archer said the other morning on Breakfast, there are 14 people at the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ paid more than the Prime Minister his job with his ministers is to run the country.
I think his comments were made in the Jack Straw cash for questions story, and I believe that he had said he was available only after the election when he would be an MP no longer.
Mr Tony Blair esq, charges a lot more I understand for speaking engagements.
any why do we need the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust. parliament has the various committees that oversea these things, they either drain money from programme budgets or take other tax revenue -
Message 3
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 1st March 2015
is it fit for purpose...
should it be abolished...as some have suggested...Μύ Probably, as Jefrey Archer said the other morning on Breakfast, there are 14 people at the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ paid more than the Prime Minister his job with his ministers is to run the country.
I think his comments were made in the Jack Straw cash for questions story, and I believe that he had said he was available only after the election when he would be an MP no longer.
Mr Tony Blair esq, charges a lot more I understand for speaking engagements.
any why do we need the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust. parliament has the various committees that oversea these things, they either drain money from programme budgets or take other tax revenueΜύ Are footballers paid more than the Prime Minister?
The point I make is that you are making the wrong comparison. A fairer comparison would be between Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ staff and staff say at ITV or Sky. Are staff paid more at ITV than they are at the Beeb? I think we all know the answer to that don't we. It is the reason why Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ staff leave for ITV. -
Message 4
Posted by Annie-Lou est Charlie (U4502268) on Monday, 2nd March 2015
is it fit for purpose...
should it be abolished...as some have suggested...Μύ Probably, as Jefrey Archer said the other morning on Breakfast, there are 14 people at the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ paid more than the Prime Minister his job with his ministers is to run the country.
I think his comments were made in the Jack Straw cash for questions story, and I believe that he had said he was available only after the election when he would be an MP no longer.
Mr Tony Blair esq, charges a lot more I understand for speaking engagements.
any why do we need the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust. parliament has the various committees that oversea these things, they either drain money from programme budgets or take other tax revenueΜύ Your reference to the MPs scandal is appropriate, they have made money hand over fist for outside directorships and so forth, because they know the right people and have influence.
It turns out the same applies to the chair of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ trust:
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Message 5
Posted by wolfie (U15842015) on Monday, 2nd March 2015
Yes....she's raking it in....wonder she's got time for the bbc....
I blame the bbc for allowing the govt to change the terms of conditions of the job and making it even more of a part time job than it already was.... -
Message 6
Posted by Drsdaughter (U12521046) on Thursday, 5th March 2015
Scrap the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust today. It is utterly supine and useless. The licence payers are getting restless. The Trust lets the "Today " programme get away with too many open mics for terrorist alliies and misogynists.
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Message 7
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Thursday, 5th March 2015
Scrap the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust today. It is utterly supine and useless. The licence payers are getting restless. The Trust lets the "Today " programme get away with too many open mics for terrorist alliies and misogynists.Μύ ...in your opinion.
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Message 8
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Thursday, 5th March 2015
Scrap the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust today. It is utterly supine and useless. The licence payers are getting restless. The Trust lets the "Today " programme get away with too many open mics for terrorist alliies and misogynists.Μύ ...in your opinion.Μύ In a lot of people's opinion
- I suppose, I really should be rooting for the trust to keep going, as it is doing a great job in dragging the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ down, even deeper into the mire - but too many people have now noticed it's "Chocolate teapot" qualities. -
Message 9
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Yes....she's raking it in....wonder she's got time for the bbc....
I blame the bbc for allowing the govt to change the terms of conditions of the job and making it even more of a part time job than it already was....Μύ I've just seen Margaret Hodge, told Rona Fairhead fair & square - that she should Resign from the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ trust, following lots of ducking, diving, stuttering & otherwise (along with the rest of HSBC) evading the committee's questions.
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Message 10
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Further, Hodge told Rona Fairhead - if she would not go willingly, the government should sack her!
This was on the internet, but not broadcast "Live"
Also, someone burst in & disrupted the meeting at the end! -
Message 11
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
What Margaret Hodge actually said was that the government should sack her, not that she should resign. There is a difference.
As appointments to the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust (like all other public sector bodies) are made by government, this for me brings into question the government's judgement on this matter and the process used to arrive at such a judgement.
I have to say, Rona has impressed me a great deal since her appointment. -
Message 12
Posted by wolfie (U15842015) on Monday, 9th March 2015
She asked her to resign...
Liar incompetent or naive....whatever...she should go...
Margaret Hodge tells Fairhead either she knew ..
I categorically deny that, Fairhead says.
Hodge says, in that case she is either naive or incompetent.
She says she does not trust her to be the guardian of the licence fee money as chair of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust. She should resign. If she doesn’t, the government should sack her, she says.
Hodge tells Fairhead to resign as chair of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Trust.
Fairhead says she refutes what Hodge said. -
Message 13
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
I think Rona is doing a great job Myles- of dragging your Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ deeper than ever into the Mire.
& Wolfie is quite right - the time for clutching at Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ straws is past I'm afraid.
But just let events take their course - & then say I'm wrong! -
Message 14
Posted by Chris Huenemoerder (U16227413) on Monday, 9th March 2015
I think Rona is doing a great job Myles- of dragging your Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ deeper than ever into the Mire.
& Wolfie is quite right - the time for clutching at Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ straws is past I'm afraid.
But just let events take their course - & then say I'm wrong!Μύ You keep on blaming the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ for a government appointment. Why? She is a government appointee who, just last year was checked out by the government; how does that make things bad for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ? How should the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ be clutching at straws? -
Message 15
Posted by minimetto (U1159894) on Monday, 9th March 2015
......Margaret Hodge for Prime Minister!!!!!!!! Her performances on the public accounts committees knock PMQs into a cocked hat!!!
This lady is one 'helluva gal'.......keep going Margaret...you are the only one who talks any sense
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Message 16
Posted by Anignig (U13352042) on Monday, 9th March 2015
For more background, this is an interesting article:
At the very least there was incompetence here. Not that I believe that - these people aren't given half a million a year to be incompetent. -
Message 17
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
There must be something in the name 'Margaret'. They are all scary women!
I will say this, I'm not sure what brow beating 'witnesses' actually achieves apart from massaging the old ego. Some could say that it is actually bullying, especially as it's done in public.
What has been going on in the banking sector is clearly unacceptable and it needs sorting out...but let's do it in a professional way. -
Message 18
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
I think Rona is doing a great job Myles- of dragging your Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ deeper than ever into the Mire.
& Wolfie is quite right - the time for clutching at Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ straws is past I'm afraid.
But just let events take their course - & then say I'm wrong!Μύ You keep on blaming the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ for a government appointment. Why? She is a government appointee who, just last year was checked out by the government; how does that make things bad for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ? How should the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ be clutching at straws?Μύ Perhaps appointed by a government that hates the perceived leftie Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ? - I'm not blaming anyone - just making an observation.....
Actually, the Queen signed off on Rona Fairhead's appointment - perhaps she is not too keen on the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ either -
Message 19
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Ok Wolfie, I stand corrected.
It is worth remembering that the Select Committee are not courts. They don't have the power to sack / appoint people. -
Message 20
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
A perception fabricated by 'the right'...with an agenda to try to force the balanced Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to be biased...biased in favour of 'the right'.
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Message 21
Posted by wolfie (U15842015) on Monday, 9th March 2015
No..of course they don't..
But they build up certain perceptions in people minds..and when they see what pies she's got her fingers in...and her performance today...then the pressure will mount...until her position will become untenable....
And as far as I'm concerned...the sooner the better... -
Message 22
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Yes, with any luck she will get an even bigger pay-off than "George" did - that will be REALLY good for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ's image - not.
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Message 23
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
A perception fabricated by 'the right'...with an agenda to try to force the balanced Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to be biased...biased in favour of 'the right'.Μύ She was planted in her Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ job by the Tories - I'm pretty sure they would have known she had "HSBC blood" on her hands, so to speak - this goes a lot deeper than you think - look at the actions - not the words.
Ends justify the means? -
Message 24
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Sorry did you miss the bit where I said that public appointments are made by the government? It is the government who has questions to answer (again) on this occasion.
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Message 25
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Sorry did you miss the bit where I said that public appointments are made by the government? It is the government who has questions to answer (again) on this occasion.Μύ Myles, at the moment - the Tories ARE the government! - pay attention....
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Message 26
Posted by Lee (U1149673) ** on Monday, 9th March 2015
Sorry did you miss the bit where I said that public appointments are made by the government? It is the government who has questions to answer (again) on this occasion.Μύ Myles, at the moment - the Tories ARE the government! - pay attention....
Μύ
That's odd - I thought we had a coalition government..? -
Message 27
Posted by Chris Huenemoerder (U16227413) on Monday, 9th March 2015
A perception fabricated by 'the right'...with an agenda to try to force the balanced Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to be biased...biased in favour of 'the right'.Μύ She was planted in her Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ job by the Tories - I'm pretty sure they would have known she had "HSBC blood" on her hands, so to speak - this goes a lot deeper than you think - look at the actions - not the words.
Ends justify the means?Μύ Are you saying that this is a Government conspiracy to tarnish the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ? -
Message 28
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
...which if true is extremely serious for the government.
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Message 29
Posted by Robbie Barron (U16106805) on Monday, 9th March 2015
......Margaret Hodge for Prime Minister!!!!!!!! Her performances on the public accounts committees knock PMQs into a cocked hat!!!
This lady is one 'helluva gal'.......keep going Margaret...you are the only one who talks any senseΜύ
She's a third-rate Anne Robinson wannabe, but that seems to be what we settle for, these days. -
Message 30
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 9th March 2015
Before the serious business of the day, doing you think she's done the whole...'you are the weakest link, goodbye'?
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Message 31
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
A perception fabricated by 'the right'...with an agenda to try to force the balanced Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to be biased...biased in favour of 'the right'.Μύ She was planted in her Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ job by the Tories - I'm pretty sure they would have known she had "HSBC blood" on her hands, so to speak - this goes a lot deeper than you think - look at the actions - not the words.
Ends justify the means?Μύ Are you saying that this is a Government conspiracy to tarnish the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ?Μύ "Finish" is the word I would use - All I will say, is if you cut through all the bull - the evidence is looking that way to me.
Getting anyone to admit to "Conspiracy" will be a much harder job than getting a HSBC board member to admit they have done nothing wrong! But I would say Salad was told to put her into the job by nameless bosses
If, as I suspect this all results in Rona going, the huge Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ pay-off will push the corporation even deeper into the Mire.........
But we will see. -
Message 32
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Sorry did you miss the bit where I said that public appointments are made by the government? It is the government who has questions to answer (again) on this occasion.Μύ Myles, at the moment - the Tories ARE the government! - pay attention....
Μύ
That's odd - I thought we had a coalition government..?Μύ
Yes, but they go their different ways on many things - & election time is getting closer! I do think Vince Cable has done a great job in many ways. -
Message 33
Posted by Chris Huenemoerder (U16227413) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
A perception fabricated by 'the right'...with an agenda to try to force the balanced Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ to be biased...biased in favour of 'the right'.Μύ She was planted in her Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ job by the Tories - I'm pretty sure they would have known she had "HSBC blood" on her hands, so to speak - this goes a lot deeper than you think - look at the actions - not the words.
Ends justify the means?Μύ Are you saying that this is a Government conspiracy to tarnish the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ?Μύ "Finish" is the word I would use - All I will say, is if you cut through all the bull - the evidence is looking that way to me.
Getting anyone to admit to "Conspiracy" will be a much harder job than getting a HSBC board member to admit they have done nothing wrong! But I would say Salad was told to put her into the job by nameless bosses
If, as I suspect this all results in Rona going, the huge Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ pay-off will push the corporation even deeper into the Mire.........
But we will see.Μύ If she were a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ employee, she would have her pay-off capped. However, Trust members remuneration is decided by the Department of Media Culture and Sport.
Ah, another of the 'nameless bosses' conspiracies. -
Message 34
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I'm assuming the Licence payer funds not only trustee's pay, but also pay-offs?
Because the link above lists their remuneration, but not who funds it - unless I missed it!
So the Government appoints them, but the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ & it's licence funders are the paymasters I can only assume. -
Message 35
Posted by Chris Huenemoerder (U16227413) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
Yes, the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ pays, but the **Government** determines what the level of remuneration for the Trustees is. For example, the Government determined that remuneration for the Chair of the Trust should be Β£110,000, not the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ. It has always been this way. It is the government that advertises the jobs, it is the government that shortlists people, and selects the various candidates for the posts. it is the government that vets the people.
Parliament even scrutinised the appointment of Rona Fairhead, when the HSBC problems were already in the public domain, and said fine. But, they also said that the money should come out of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ coffers. Any complaints should be sent to the government (through DCMS) who determine the level of remuneration. -
Message 36
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
I suspect in truth no one really wanted the job - who the government saw as high profile enough - of course you or me would like Β£100,000 a year for a 3 day week - but we would not be "High profile" enough to be considered - perhaps Myles
But, due to crazy system, should it all end in tears for Rona, the even poorer Licence payer, as ever - will pick up the cost - even IF it is the Government who decides!
I see on another forum, Margaret Hodge is being Character assassinated - I'm sure she is no angel, but there is a nasty smell to the whole affair - so my nose tells me........ -
Message 37
Posted by wolfie (U15842015) on Tuesday, 10th March 2015
To be honest...I don't think its a three day week...
The govt lowered the criteria to as many days as was necessary...to get the right man for the job...
After they lowered the criteria he still rejected them...and we were left with the riffraff that we ended up with....
I reckon she does no more than one day a week... -
Message 38
Posted by Baldinio (U2012448) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
I dont think Rona Fairhead has come out of this very well because she clearly didn't understand (or wanted to create that impression) that in company law there is no difference between a non-Executive director and an 'inside' director.
Both have the same responsibilities regarding a duty of care to the company and if anything the non-Exec should be more diligent in appraising her own qualities when accepting the post. -
Message 39
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
From what I can see of her so far, my feeling is, she will have to be pushed - more chance of a better pay-off that way
As many know, I am no fan of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ - but this is a dirty way to attack it by putting someone like her, in such an important post for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ.
I still say, the best way to decide if & how the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ is to have a future, let the public decide by converting the licence, into a Voluntary subscription - it will save all the arguments, the public will vote with their feet, (or keyboards & any other way the subs can be paid)
If the country has a large proportion of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ fans, there will be no problems at all - all it takes is a bit of courage - they are very fond of opinion polls - well that can be tried first, if you trust them,
Question: "Would you pay a voluntary subscription, to fund the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ, yes or no"
It really can be as simple as that. Democracy is the best way though, to solve the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ problem - not dirty tricks. -
Message 40
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Cyril...it is has been pointed out to you on many occasions why subs and the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ are totally incompatible, unpractical and never going to happen...regardless of how many times you bang on about it. Move on and give up on your negativity.
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Message 41
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Perhaps it's more an issue with the company itself rather than any individual. If roles and responsibilities aren't clearly defined...know what I mean?
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Message 42
Posted by Baldinio (U2012448) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015
Perhaps it's more an issue with the company itself rather than any individual. If roles and responsibilities aren't clearly defined...know what I mean?Μύ
Unfortunately as anybody who has studied law - either as part of a law degree or accountancy qualification knows the phrase 'ignorance is no excuse'.
I don't think Margaret Hodge is any paragon of virtue by a long chalk either but too many people take on executive roles without having a clue what their responsibilities are and yes that is often down to the culture within a company. -
Message 43
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (23 Hours Ago)
Cyril...it is has been pointed out to you on many occasions why subs and the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ are totally incompatible, unpractical and never going to happen...regardless of how many times you bang on about it. Move on and give up on your negativity.Μύ You have pointed that out - You also think the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ is wonderful - I have pointed out the error in your thinking - but you have not changed - so we are even there!
It is in fact, the only positive future the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ will have. a Subscription base - Talk about being negative - why are you so frightened to face up to it, there may be 26 million subscribers out there for all you or I know, who all agree with you that the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ is wonderful. - If so, Capita & co will get the sack & there will be more money for those "Wonderful Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ progs" you love...Even more Eastenders, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔs under the hammer & Can't cook, wont cook
The licence is history, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Poll/coucil tax has too much baggage - there is no other way.
A lot of things happen in Germany, that will never happen here. Legalised Brothels for starters! The Germans have a very different culture to our own.
One reason is German is a language only used in germany - it makes their programmes more expensive to make, because English is used over much of the globe, progs are swapped all over place - Why do you think there are lots of American, Aussie, Irish, Canadian etc etc Progs = They are cheap, thats why! -
Message 44
Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (22 Hours Ago)
No matter how many times you peddle your anti-Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ mantra, the facts I have pointed out to you don't change. Re-read all the points I have made in all the threads on this board. It will remind you why what you say is utterly ridiculous, unworkable and not positive for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ or the country more broadly.
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Message 45
Posted by Cyril-Furr (U10382673) on Wednesday, 11th March 2015 (18 Hours Ago)
No matter how many times you peddle your anti-Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ mantra, the facts I have pointed out to you don't change. Re-read all the points I have made in all the threads on this board. It will remind you why what you say is utterly ridiculous, unworkable and not positive for the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ or the country more broadly.Μύ Your opinions don't change - that all.....they are far from facts!
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