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Message 1.Â
Posted by Mckay1402 (U5278290) on Monday, 24th January 2011
With all the chaos and strife in the world and wars and rumours of wars could it be that the ancients somehow had a vision of the future? I know it sounds far fetched but the world is a very scary place these days...
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Message 2
Posted by fascinating (U1944795) on Tuesday, 25th January 2011
I think there are less wars around than there used to be. If you are scared now, thank goodness you weren't in Britain 70 years ago.
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Message 3
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Tuesday, 25th January 2011
The world has ALWAYS been like that! It's just that we know about it more or less immediately. Oh, and the weapons are a bit nastier, but war has always been brutal. -
Message 4
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
With all the chaos and strife in the world and wars and rumours of wars could it be that the ancients somehow had a vision of the future?Â
Revelations may have been written around 69AD in which case it would almost certainly represent the chaos of the times. Revolts in Gaul, Judea and Germany threatened the out-lying parts of the Roman Empire, while a series of coups against central authority could have looked like the end of the world to a man convinced that the end of the world really was imminent. -
Message 5
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
There is a human tendency to relate universal behaviour and events to a subjective and personal individual experience. The author of Revelations created a prophetic vision of the future based on his own contemporary and individually subjective experience, as cloudyj rightly pointed out. In the same manner the OP has also presumed that his subjective assessment of a perceived increase in contemporary global bellicosity is valid when even a cursory comparison with events preceding his own lifetime contradicts this view.
This is therefore flawed reasoning on his part and the resulting deduction that it verifies past prophecy of chaos and strife is ipso facto irrelevant to the extent of being false. -
Message 6
Posted by Wyldeboar (U11225571) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
I doubt the situation is any worse than it was then. However, we have it pumped into our homes 24-7 by a media desperate for sensational news. Charlie Brookers' ' TV ruined your life' last night on Â鶹ԼÅÄ2, whilst attempting to be funny, had some interesting observations on the effect all this alarming doom and gloom on the box has on our brains primitive defence mechanisms.
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Message 7
Posted by LairigGhru (U14051689) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
quote>Revelations may have been written around 69AD in which case it would almost certainly represent the chaos of the times. Revolts in Gaul, Judea and Germany threatened the out-lying parts of the Roman Empire, while a series of coups against central authority could have looked like the end of the world to a man convinced that the end of the world really was imminent. </quote>
Especially if the writer, John, had sat in his Aegean cave eating magic mushrooms, as seems possible. -
Message 8
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
Re: Message 5.
Well said, Nordmann, as ever.
Kind regards and with esteem,
Paul. -
Message 9
Posted by Jak (U1158529) on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
Especially if the writer, John, had sat in his Aegean cave eating magic mushrooms, as seems possible. Â
Michty me!
That might explain quite a lot. Seven beasts, ten horns, a winepress oozing blood... I think I'll stick to tobacco and the occasional beer. -
Message 10
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Thursday, 27th January 2011
Of course "the Ancients" had a view of the future.
That doesn't mean they were likely to be right about it, though. -
Message 11
Posted by NCH (U9519230) on Friday, 28th January 2011
To move away from one of the most pompous responses to a question I've seen above, here's something I pinched from the 'net to give some meat to the bones -
“Truth is that we are now living in one of the most peaceful periods since war first arose 10 or 12 millennia ago. The relative calm of our era, say scientists who study warfare in history and even prehistory, belies the popular, pessimistic notion that war is so deeply rooted in our nature that we can never abolish it. In fact, war seems to be a largely cultural phenomenon, which culture is now helping us eradicate. Some scholars now even cautiously speculate that the era of traditional war—fought by two uniformed, state-sponsored armies—might be drawing to a close.
Recent studies reveal a clear downward trend. In 2008, 25,600 combatants and civilians were killed as a direct result of armed conflicts, according to the University of Uppsala Conflict Data Program in Sweden. Two thirds of these deaths took place in just three trouble spots: Sri Lanka (8,400), Afghanistan (4,600), and Iraq (4,000).
The contrast between our century and the previous one is striking. In the second half of the 20th century, war killed as many as 40 million people, both directly and indirectly, or 800,000 people a year, according to Milton Leitenberg of the University of Maryland. He estimates that 190 million people, or 3.8 million a year, died as a result of wars and state--sponsored genocides during the cataclysmic first half of the century. Considered as a percentage of population, the body count of the 20th century is comparable to that of blood-soaked earlier cultures, such as the Aztecs, the Romans, and the Greeks.†-
Message 12
Posted by Prof Muster (U14387921) on Friday, 28th January 2011
In Ancient Greek history, adventurers, persian vassal-tyrants petty kings and usurpers were rather keen on territorial expansion. Mostly centered around the Island of Sicilly. This provoced the Socalled Social-Wars and peloponese Wars infact Greek Civil wars with Persian intrests on the backstage+3 Punic Wars.
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Message 13
Posted by Prof Muster (U14387921) on Friday, 28th January 2011
in 69 the REVELLATION by Saint/Apostle John on Patmos was in the Greek world not the (later-)Roman world
Those 10 Beasts with 7 Horns were no future revelation but simply applied to the Moon's Orbit around 1055 bc, when it had still satelites named the Maruts, that fell to Earth causing the Moon to collide with Earth and take a new( 2nd-Collision )Course.
The Forehead hornswere the tailtraces of these Marut-moonsattelites when they were captured by earth's gravity when they fell to Earth.
The Arabian desert and North-Egypt still bears the Scars of fallen Rubble Meteorite tails which left 100m2 section holes and long trails of flintstones
Mentioning these Hailstones from the Sky became a death-offence in the reign of Assyrian King Salmanasser-3 and were later applied to emerging new-empires instead of the original falling Stars.
in 1850 after Great Britain, Austria not China Russia or America was the greatest power in Europe.
Wars of expansion ensued in the Crimaean war; Austria had a hand in getting German Kings on foreign thrones such as Bulgaria Greece and even a french supported Austrian Emperor in Mexico.
Alas these were incompetent monarchs second sons, not raised to rule.
General Bazaine mismannaged the emperor's military protection by refusing to integrate the mexican standing army into the french expeditionary force,
and so worked to the dissolution of Mexico's Austrian empire in 1867 and again in 1870 neglected the German border forts defences actually inviting the ennemy to invade France by using these Forts arsenal and keeping the entire french borderarmy hostage
After 1873 Bazaine became the french defeat's ingeniosse nequam/culprit.
The french empire seemed as badly mannaged as the Mexican Emire adventure was. The war of German-expansion culminated in 1914 and 1940
in 1914 there was a proto united Europe by a Traty named the Triple-Entente a promise of mutual military assistance, but when Austria was caught inbetween the states of the Balkans: Bosnia turkey & Russia, France that should have remaines neutral on the wings of expediancy started a socalled Pre-Emptive War on Germany with their revenge on their own provoked defeat and loss of Larraine.
German-States in the late middle ages may have counted numerous female Saints , Widdowed queens that dabbled in social-uplift of common-peoples
but did the opposite when gaining temporary teritories in Poland & Russia.
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