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Posted by Shaz519 (U2827975) on Monday, 21st September 2009
during the middle ages and earlier were they just as fascinated in legacy of the Roman prescence? Ie, Alfred the great, William the conqueror etc? They were closer in time and some roman buildings and towns were probably still standing. Or was it due to the Victorians? The sun never set on the British Empire becos it was the largest in history. The Victorians compared it with the ancient Roman and Greek empires and believed, they were a continuation or heir to it. Was that why they taught latin, greek classics in public schools, so their sons would become 'gentlemen' to serve the empire?
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"Earlier then the middle ages" IS the Roman Period. Since the early middle ages there has allways been a fascination for the Roman Empire.
examples:
-Charlemagne: Renovatio Imperii. He "re-invented" the empire and was emperor.
-Throughout the middle ages (and longer) there has allways been an emperor (in germany).
-A kings head was put (in profile) on a coin because it reminded of thr Roman emperors.
-Medieval art & architecture show study of roman art. (talking about religious architecture)
-there are numerous other examples...
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That was nothing new. National historiography in any european country had since long linked the own people to the romans and to other ancient cultures.
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Latin was taught all over europe. It was a spoken language untill far in the middle ages. It became a dead language when humanists (Thomas More / erasmus / Valla / ...) started studying classical Latin in the sixteenth century. These people are also responsible for teaching greek. The fascination for classical languages had few to do with the British empire: It pre-dates it, it was not invented in England and teachers often came from the continent.
In no way where victorians the first in any aspect of "fascination for the roman empire". (except perhaps size of their territory )
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Posted by Frank Parker (U7843825) on Tuesday, 22nd September 2009
And Shakespeare wrote "Antony and Cleopatra" a few hundred years before Victoria came onto the throne!
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Posted by brushstroke (U14041781) on Wednesday, 23rd September 2009
we today are fascinated by the romans ,and what they brought us, at the time it must have been really eye opening but today we are far more advanced ,yet we still look on them in wonder, but when they left us, a few hundred years after and we seemed to have gone backwards rather than forwards ,so in those times i wonder how they veiwed the romans
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Posted by Shearers Receeding Hairline (U2343735) on Thursday, 24th September 2009
I thought Genghis Khan ruled over the largest empire?
I thought Genghis Khan ruled over the largest empire?
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Nope, Queen Victoria.
Did Alfred the Great, who was said to be our 1st intellectual king, ever speak about the Romans? They left 3-4 centuries before him
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Posted by Teresa gardel (U7049329) on Tuesday, 29th September 2009
to M-6:
Phillip II,III or IV of Spain , maybe?
to M-6:
Phillip II,III or IV of Spain , maybe?
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British Empire - 33.67 million km2 (1922)
Mongol Empire - 33.0 million km2 (1270 or 1309)
Spanish Empire - 13.7 million km2 (ca. 1740-1790)
George V rather than Victoria as the Palestine Mandate is presumably included.
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Posted by Frank Parker (U7843825) on Wednesday, 30th September 2009
British Empire - 33.67 million km2 (1922)Ìý Would the BE have been larger or smaller prior to the cedeing of the US?
Would the BE have been larger or smaller prior to the cedeing of the US?
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Australia was 1788 and India was run by the John Company until the 19th century.
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Posted by Teresa gardel (U7049329) on Wednesday, 30th September 2009
I didn´t know... just wondering...
As I also wonder why British never mixed with the locals at the time.
Please don´t take it as an offense for I´m not looking for any argument and take into account that English is not my first language,but... When American countries rose against Spain for independence , people who did it were "mestizos", half Spanish half indians, and they ruled their own countries.
On the other hand, same in Australia, United States etc, just Europenas descendants did it ( and still do it)
Do you find it fair? and, what do you think about it?
I know this is not an Ancient History subject but.. a thing led to another
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Posted by Teresa gardel (U7049329) on Wednesday, 30th September 2009
Sorry, I forgot Obama and... in any case nothing to do with native americans either...
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