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Message 1.Β
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Saturday, 25th July 2009
given the new technologies - metal detectors - geophysics - crop marks from the air - heat seeking cameras - lasers sonar etc etc
how many suprises can we now expect to find
will we ever find boudiccas last battlefield ??
dark age battle fields that are legend but of unknown locations - will we find them
mons graupus - where is it - the amount of casualties must be found surely
what new things will we discover
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Message 2
Posted by Jerrypchs (U14082361) on Sunday, 26th July 2009
Does technology exist now or in near future that will allow us to look at the seashores that existed during the last ice age?
What will that reveal? And, I'm not talking about Atlantis!
Did sizable settlements/towns/cities exist then? Settlements maybe. It would open discussions if they did. -
Message 3
Posted by DocFortune (U13867284) on Sunday, 26th July 2009
Hi stalteriisok
With regard to Boudica's last battle the most likely candidate is the village of Mancetter, located near Nuneaton. At some time this area was known as Mandussedum which means 'the place of chariots'.
The area today still resembles the description given by Tacitus for the battleground and discoveries there have included pieces of Roman cavalry & legionary armour. Furthermore other finds have confirmed the presence of the XIVth Legion at this site and along with the XXth Legion we know these were the two main bodies of Suetonius army which fought against Boudica in the 'final' battle.
I believe that more can be discovered not only at this site but we should also remember that Dio mentions that after Boudica's defeat and subsequent poisoning she was taken away and secretly buried with great honour in a costly tomb.
The discovery of her tomb would be, perhaps, the greatest in British archaeology and it could be out there, somewhere, just waiting to see the light of day once more.
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Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Monday, 27th July 2009
I think Oldguyusa is correct. Mankind has always lived on shorelines, and much early occupation is now under water.
If archeologists can find a way of exploring these places, it will be most enlightening as to early history and, possibly the expansion of humanity across the globe.
As to ancient battle sites. Good luck on that. I suspect that very little evidence survives, and is open to interpreation. Unless you already know the site of the battle, it could be anything, from criminal executions to a long forgotten minor battle. -
Message 5
Posted by Tooting Popular Front (U2615522) on Monday, 27th July 2009
Many modern techniques will discover ever more archeological gems and could already do so.
The main problem as ever is to win funding to allow such investigations. Many of the newer techniques are expensive!
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Message 6
Posted by TonyG (U1830405) on Tuesday, 28th July 2009
It would bewonderful if some of these battle sites could be identified, but we have to remember thatpropaganda played a part in some of the stories. Tacitus claims 80,000 dead when Boudica was defeated. Were they buried? Perhap sthey wer ejust left to rot inwhich case ther ewoul dbenothing left to find, but what happened to all their discarded weapons. While Mancetter is an excellent candidat efor the battle site, a few pieces of legionary equipment ar enot enough to clinch the argument.
As for Dio Cassius, he wrote two hundred years after the event. Some of his descriptions of the sack of towns are quite lurid, but I have always wondered why the inhabitants of Londimium woul dstay in their homes, knowing they had no defence, simply waiting for the Iceni to come and slaughter them. The Iceni were travelling with their families and belongings in wagons and would not have been moving all that fast. I suspect Dio may have embellished his tale for the edification of his audience.
All inall, I think it will be difficult for anyone to find definive proof of these battle sites. -
Message 7
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Tuesday, 28th July 2009
hi doc
thanx for that - i thought it was meant to be somewhere around st albans
surely in a battle of that importance ther must be traces that modern technology can pick up
my op was based on the time team investigation of the roman villa which was not known - then suddenly was a huge villa and farm and of HUGE importance
how many more sites like this are there
remember reading about the discovery of phillip of macedonia tomb - by accident
but what is next
boudiccas tomb would be ok lol
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Message 8
Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009
I happened to watch something on TV last night about the Roman battle in the Teuteborg forest. Historians recentley identified the site of this. But there are alternative theories. Unless you have a solid description of the topography, I fail to see how you could demonstrate the finds are from the battle that you hope it is from.
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Message 9
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Friday, 31st July 2009
hah!!!
now this is just the type of thing i was on about
superb - what next
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Message 10
Posted by delrick53 (U13797078) on Saturday, 1st August 2009
stalteriisok,
I don't know if anyone else does this, but when I'm bored (it occasionally happens), I go to Google Earth and choose a remote part of the planet just to have a look.
As well as some incredible natural features, like what look like the veins of leaves covering the Afghan mountains (they were obviously rivers and streams at one time), it's always possible that one of us may just spot an anomaly that doesn't make sense, and then ......who knows. -
Message 11
Posted by TheodericAur (U13724457) on Sunday, 2nd August 2009
Hi stalteriisok
Google Earth is great to look for crop marks but of course it is not necessarily the case that what looks like a set of foundations actually is.
If you have watched any of the "Time Teams" you will see that the "GeoPhys" often gets confused ... but it is all a great step forward.
At a place called Llanegwad near Carmarthen, on Google Earth there is a hill with what looks like what could have been a Roman Fort between the River Cothi and the River Towy near a ruined chapel - but is it??
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Message 12
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Wednesday, 5th August 2009
delrick
wow thank heavens for that lol
i do that - i am still searching for Ghengis Khans grave
thought it was only me lol
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