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  Posted by Big Lad (U1949096) on Friday, 17th July 2009

  Is it because ancient history is just a bit irrelevant nowadays?? I picked up a copy of Heroditus in a charity shop t-other day, but apart from the intro it seemed a tiddley bit dull (no offense intended).

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  Posted by ChristianG77 (U14074558) on Saturday, 18th July 2009

  If its action you want then why not get physically involved with unearthing and saving our history.
  
  

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Saturday, 18th July 2009

  hi big lad
  
  agreeed its a bit quiet
  
  i try to post here when i have a good question to give it a bit of life - it used to be very active and interesting - but the posters seem to have disappeared
  
  i joined the footie boards and book boards - they are both defucnt
  
  hope this one doesnt go the same way
  
  how will i do my daughters homework ??
  
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  Posted by Big Lad (U1949096) on Saturday, 18th July 2009

  
  Presumbly the progress/evolution (or apparent lack of it) of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ messageboards recently isn't because of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ ????
  
  (sorry auntie, it was shallow and mean of me )

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Saturday, 18th July 2009

  the footie boards disappeared becaused there was tooooo much activity
  
  the Book boards disappeared because there wasnt enough activity
  
  what? yes exactly
  
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  Posted by TheodericAur (U13724457) on Saturday, 18th July 2009

  Hi Big Lad
  
  The only way any Board survives is by people being actively involved and posting questions that other people may also be interested in so you can spark off a debate.
  
  In my opinion no history is irrelevant, there is a huge amount to be learnt from people who were not that much different to us, if you’re interested enough to look for it.
  
  There can be a huge amount of satisfaction to be gained – if you want to get involved……
  
  So as ST says – try to post as often as it is interesting for you.
  
  Kind Regards - TA
  

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  Posted by brushstroke (U14041781) on Wednesday, 22nd July 2009

  ok, as anyone got an opinion on the antarctic once being a temperate climate and being inhabited

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  Posted by Nik (U1777139) on Wednesday, 22nd July 2009

  Big Lad, taking aside a few breaks, I am writing for some 4 years here and yes there is a considerable difference of public interest in ancient history depicted in the number (and sometimes quality) of topics which of course represents the general interest for earlier eras.
  
  Something I find very natural. One is interested in that part of global history which is closer to what he feels as own (usually connected to geographical locations but not always true since we have also the cultural proximity which tends to be stronger e.g. an Australian can be particularly interested in Scottish history for example, much more than Kazakstani or Namimbian.
  
  Thus history prior to the Renaissance tends to be seen as less relevant to today's world while for example Napoleonic wars could even be related to WWI and WWII in several ways, naturally gathering much more interest.
  
  The above also create a very distorted view of history. For example for westerners, in the absence of anything "great", interest in ancient times falls on Greece, which is being distorted and "westernised" to fit in the ideological narrows of the west, then of course to Rome which is done even more and from that point somehow Greeks are "lost" despite the fact that it was not any Roman nation (something that did not exist) but Greeks that remained the civilisational powerhouse of the Roman Empire and continued the Emperial state in the East for many more centuries than the very existence of the Roman Empire. Somehow western historiography jumps all that huge time to go around the pre-Renaissance times (the Crudades and 1204 which is seen as the birth of the western european civlisation) treating the Empire which for 1000 years was the center of the earth and the target of every nation that moved along Eurasia and Africa included as a random existence while at the same time giving to the Crusades the status of cosmo-historic event when back then apart the 4th Crusade that dissolved the Empire, they were considered as nothing more important than pirate-jobs of even less importance than the equivalent raids of muslims in Italy and France. Here it is interesting to note that for Middle Easterners, the cosmohistoric event in their history was the Mongol raids that destroyed the Middle East, usually passed in small letters in western history, while for them Crusades was a very small chapter up to really very recently (see Bush's politics and 2nd invasion of Iraq, not even the first...).
  
  Having said that, imagine if we put into the picture the 2/3 of the planet... that is China and India... then you understand what I talk about.
  
  In that way Herodotus can seem to your eyes as "mumbo jumbo" which is understandable. To me as a Greek, he is 10 times more relevant since I read about things considering people that were ancestors to my modern culture, I could even understand the general subject of the text without being taught any "ancient Greeks" (anyway an artificial term since the language of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔr, Herodotus and St. John are quite differentiated dialects spanning different times and regions), then I can relate to the people and find out they have similar traits and habits as my modern compatriots. Above all, it talks about the places which are just next door to me, so naturally I will be much more interested than a Somali or a South Korean isn't it?
  
  As for the "mumbo jumbo" part of history, for example if talking about Herodotus, I really feel obliged to indicate that Herodotus is justified since he lived in times were it was only the Greeks and 1-2 other cultures that really took to writing things down and producing some worth mentioning culture while the 90% of others stuck to being content "living on the trees"...., thus Herodotus lacking the opportunity to have lots of sources and bases.... but what about today? Do you really think that modern history is not about the same if not much more mumbo jumbo? Wanna talk about what was communism (who paid for it?), what was nazism (who paid for it, e?) and how things went by in the 20th century.... not even 1 full century before our days? Trust me in that, Herodotus mumbo jumbo at times seems much more trustworthy.

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  Posted by TheodericAur (U13724457) on Wednesday, 22nd July 2009

  Hi Brushstroke
  
  If you really are interested in this topic why don't you start a new Thread?
  
  Who knows what it may or may not lead to?
  
  Regards - TA

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  Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Wednesday, 22nd July 2009

  Hi brushstroke,
  
  Plate tectonics entails that the Antarctic was temperate in the past, just as it will be again in the future. It was certainly inhabited at the end of the Cretaceous and perhaps as recently as 15-20 million years ago. But only by marsupials.
  
  TP

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  Posted by Big Lad (U1949096) on Friday, 24th July 2009

  Nicolaus,
  you said as follows:
  
  Do you really think that modern history is not about the same if not much more mumbo jumbo? Wanna talk about what was communism (who paid for it?), what was nazism (who paid for it, e?) and how things went by in the 20th century.... not even 1 full century before our days? Trust me in that, Herodotus mumbo jumbo at times seems much more trustworthy.Β 
  
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the text of your argument is directly aimed at histiography, and that is fundamental to my question.
  
  1) Who paid for Communism.?
  2) what was nazism (and who paid for it)??
  3) How did the 20th Century prgress??
  
  As a sub-thread, or separate thread. Either way,
  this is the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ history discussion messageboards, if no else feels like taking over the conversation, then sure. Why not?!!
  
  1) Who paid for Communism.?
  Apart from being a twinge ambivalent from the start (no pun intended), but in order to have a point of reference, the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ History Magazine article (July edition, Industrialsation), appears to put the case, that Communism never made much progress in England in the 19th Century because of contemporaries, and what they might expect. The idea that people living at the time across many areas of England for instance, might have hardly noticed urbanisation, mechanisation and industrialsation (with exceptions like the railways), during a half or three-quarters of the 19th Century. Any progress materially (more varied foodstuffs available in the marketplaces/cheaper imports) would have been welcomed, especially since mortality rates fell (to a degree), but how noticeable was this to contemporaries/some people or morse so.
  
  

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  Posted by -frederik- (U13721647) on Sunday, 9th August 2009

  The main reason why this discussion board is less active has nothing to do with ancient history. This board is less active compared to the others due to the obsession of Britons with the flowering periods of their own history (and of their family trees). Ancient history is not one of those periods.
  
  That's really all there is to it.

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  Posted by Frank Parker (U7843825) on Sunday, 9th August 2009

  This board is less active compared to the others due to the obsession of Britons with the flowering periods of their own history (and of their family trees). Ancient history is not one of those periods.Β  Except the bit of it that includes Arthur, or so it seems!

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  Posted by Nik (U1777139) on Sunday, 9th August 2009

  Well that is exactly what I said above, and something that I find very natural and healthy. One has first to understand his own history before jumping on to other parts of human history.

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Wednesday, 12th August 2009

  hi TA
  think u are on the same wavelength as me lol
  
  as this board gets less well used - people get frightened to post as they are only ones and dont want to be alone - lol
  
  i have thousands of questions to ask but not sure if anyone will be there to answer them
  
  i will post not withstanding lol
  
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  Posted by TheodericAur (U13724457) on Wednesday, 12th August 2009

  Hi stalteriisok
  
  I think that it would be great if more people asked the questions.
  
  Although people seem to think that this board is not well used it tends to have less threads but an awful lot of posts and the arguments are often deeply argued - so it is a very interesting board.
  
  Some people seem to think that it is only used by the Brits to look at Arthur but if you go back through the Threads they are quite diverse.
  
  I often ask questions and have yet to be let down - someone always tries to help my limited understandings.
  
  I think you will be surprised at the responses if you do ask the questions - looking forward to them.
  
  Kind Regards - TA
  

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Thursday, 13th August 2009

  hi ta
  
  u are correct
  
  any posts here are answered by experts
  
  i read historical books and historical fiction and as soon as i get a question i post here and have never been disappointed
  
  not quite sure why it doesnt have the activity it used to have - hundreds of kids had their coursework done here lol
  
  anyo

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  Posted by U V (U2084947) on Sunday, 23rd August 2009

  Does anyone else find the colour scheme used for the history MBs annoying and discouraging? Black and blue on varying shades of lilac?
  
  Although the topics are interesting I find the best posts - usually the most detailed - hard to read and in the end can't be bothered to engage in the discussion.
  

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Thursday, 27th August 2009

  not sure what u mean about colour scheme - mine is black on white - check your settings
  what i hate is when the interesting posts have no gaps - no paragraphs
  
  you know who u r - sort it -lol
  
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  Posted by curiousdigger (U13776378) on Friday, 28th August 2009

  Hi guys,
  
  I know what you mean about the colours U.V, mine appears in shades of purple as well and it can be a bit hard to read!
  
  As far as the lack of action on these boards, I wonder if perhaps ancient history is seen as a more difficult subject to tackle than say, WW2, which is closer to home (in terms of time span!) I'm just about to start a short course on archaeology and I'm hoping I'll soon be as well informed as the other posters here so I'm more able to join in the debates!

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  Posted by fimbar (U14054219) on Tuesday, 1st September 2009

  Why not add the stimulation yourself and make the theme of it all, more exciting.
  best wishes
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