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Did Mihammad author the Quran?

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  Posted by grannieval (U3909013) on Wednesday, 1st July 2009

  I would value an opinion from those who know history about the arguments in this.
  
  

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  Posted by shivfan (U2435266) on Thursday, 2nd July 2009

  Did the apostles of Jesus really write the New Testament of the Bible?
  
  All this comes down to faith, because there is little historical evidence to indicate that the events in the Bible or the Quran really happened....
  
  It's best to keep religion and history separate, IMHO.

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  Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Thursday, 2nd July 2009

  Uthman Ibn Affan, a contemporary of Mohammed, is credited traditionally with reducing the various codices down to the text which became known as the Quran. This was apparently done by a committee appointed by him.
  
  Philological evidence reveals only that an established text emerged quite some time later, and the gap has encouraged some historians to postulate that the early muslim faith could in fact more correctly be described as a judaeo-christian off-shoot. Subsequent propagandistic promotion of this off-shoot to the status of a fully fledged religion which would be intrinsic to the identity of an arab political expansion and increasing domination in national terms, they claim, is what cemented the Quran's contents in reality and cemented also the assertion that it represented Mohammed's own words (given to him in revelation from god).
  
  Study of this is hampered by the rather tedious tendency of muslim authorities to ostracise liberal interpreters of the historical data (as Nasr Abu Zayd found out), so about the only thing which can be said with confidence is that tradition dates the contents back to Mohammed, and this tradition is rigorously maintained.

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  Posted by delrick53 (U13797078) on Thursday, 2nd July 2009

  shivfan,
  
  Impossible.
  
  For thousands of years religion WAS history.
  
  It would be like discussing warfare without any reference to weapons or soldiers.

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  Posted by Nik (U1777139) on Thursday, 2nd July 2009

  Anyone that wants to see them as the source of truth it is his problem. I would add, even more, islam appeared at a really fitting time, when Eastern Romans and Persians had eaten each other out creating a vacuum of power in Mesopotamia leaving Arabs as the only unharmed populations - they did not lose any time as right the following decade there were into the attack on both fronts. What gave that idea to them was of course the theological antiparatheresis of christians within the Roman Empire as well as Zoroastrians and Manihaists in the Persian Empire - for Arabs between these two it seemed natural to spread themselves using some kind of middle religion as soon as one leader appeared they followed. Beware, the muslim religion is quite a studied one, it was made and designed to be imposed just like the christian religion (and imposed with force not with love and flowers... just like the christian religion). Quite powerful political tools.

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  Posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass (U1732830) on Friday, 3rd July 2009

  It is no secret that Mohammad knew all the other holy books of the time, having had them read to him. The quran contains a lot of information from the other books and has no special holy wisdom in it but does have mistakes, like talking ants. No one but Mohammad saw the angel. Mohammad did no miracles.
  
  I don't think there can be any doubt but that Mohammad wrote the quran without holy inspiration, or rather it was written decades after his death by others, based on his words. Like the bible, the accuracy of those words decades later is anybody's guess.

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  Posted by LairigGhru (U5452625) on Friday, 3rd July 2009

  Even when these realisations have dawned on a Muslim, I understand that they are not permitted to freely leave the religion.

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