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Normans: useless?
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Posted by blackjackreviewtime (U7153099) on Tuesday, 23rd January 2007
Did they contribute to our timeline?
BJ
P.S: not meant to be any form of racism! -
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Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Tuesday, 23rd January 2007
By "our" I take it you mean Britain? Apart from a complete unheaval of the ruling classes, new economic system, redistribution of land, close links to France arguably resulting in the Hundred Years War and other conflicts, new styles of warfare, significant contributions to the English language, etc, etc... no, not really
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Posted by johnraciti (U7346496) on Saturday, 3rd February 2007
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Gallic-Belgae - Belgae - The Belgae shown in south central England were related to the Belgium tribes on the continent. These peoples are believed to have crossed the channel about 75 BC. The most numerous tribe of the Belgae in Britannia at the time Agricola was governor (78-84 AD) were the Catuvallauni. The Catuvallauni of Britannia had skirmished with Julius Caesar in 55 and 54 BC when Caesar raided southern Britannia to punish the tribes aiding their kin on the continent as Caesar conquered Gaul.
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The focus of the project is to gather a representation of evidence and interest in Native Scandinavians and Native Celtic-Iberians found in βallβ parts of Europe.
Addressing the question:
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Posted by Tim of Acleah (U1736633) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
There is a post on the Normans in England which takes a very critical view of the impact of the Normans on England/Britain but ut does not deny their impact.
In terms of DNA then the figures I have seen were maximum of 50,000 Normans (including Bretons, Flemish and French) in a population of about 1.5 Million, answer very little.
I also read in a book of genetics that every single one of the titles awarded by William, e.g. John de Warrenne Earl of Surrey has died out in that name. -
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Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
Why are people on these boards so obsessed with DNA?
As far as I see it, my historical, cultural, geographic and linguistic heritage is far more important than my DNA make up, much of which is supposition anyway.
A percentage of my blood line is almost certainly "Celtic", my Grandma on my Mum's side was Cornich and could speak Kernow too! My Nan's family on my Dad's side came from Scotland.
I'm given to understand my family tree has both Romany and Jewish individuals dotted here and there.
My name derives from the Angles, and the region my family hails from came under the Danelaw, and theres probably "pre-Celtic" blood from these islands original inhabitants too!
But here it is, I am English, thats the beginning, middle and end of it, I am this because I was born here, from a family many generations old, I speak the language and live the culture and lifestyle of an Englishman and therefore thats what I consider myself. This is more important to me than any DNA connections will ever be! -
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Posted by mickeymay (U3600416) on Friday, 23rd February 2007
Didn't ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ one do this a couple of years back, or is this the continuation of the project?
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Posted by mickeymay (U3600416) on Friday, 23rd February 2007
I might be wrong, but I believe they've traced Seven or several types of DNA groups back to seven or several ancient women. So If you're one of the hundreds of thousand of Offshoots from this ancient, great, grandmother, at least you know your start, if not the middle.
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Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Didn't ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ one do this a couple of years back, or is this the continuation of the project?Β
I think you're thinking of 'Blood of the Vikings', which IIRC didn't come up with anything spectacularly revelatory. -
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Posted by U2280797 (U2280797) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
'Why are people on these boards so obsessed with DNA?'
CrusaderPete - I don't think people are really obsessed, but a large number of us were brought up on dreadful stories of invasions, massacres and ethnic cleansings by all sorts, ending with some alleged 'Anglo-Saxons' who murdered everyone else or 'drove' them into 'Wales' which, then as now, could of course easily feed the whole population of England as well as its own people. This has always seemed to me such ludicrous drivel that it is pleasing to find scientific confirmation for my scepticism.
Was your Cornish Gt-grandmother part of the Revival movement or someone we ought to know about, Keneweg having allegedly died out at the beginning of the Nineteenth Century? -
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Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
The last person to speak it fluently died in the 1960's, according to my mum, and I'll take her word over any linguistic "expert's".
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Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
But for the record her name was Meta Mallinson. Though disgrace to me, I'd have to goand ask me mum what her maiden name was
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Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
How "fluent" she was I know not, but as my mum reckons the 'last' fluent speaker died 25 years before me nan, I guess she was'nt completely fluent.
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Posted by U2280797 (U2280797) on Sunday, 25th February 2007
Well, CrusaderPete, it rather contradicts what I've been told. Tell them on though. They'll be interested.
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Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Sunday, 25th February 2007
Can't help that Rhys, and as my Grans dead, so is the evidence, so I guess it's a moot point, I did pass the site address on to me mum as she is keen on that sort of thing.
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Message 17
Posted by CrusaderPete (U1811057) on Sunday, 25th February 2007
As I said, regardless of DNA etc, I consider myself an Anglo-Saxon and a Godless, Heathen Anglo-Saxon at that
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