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'Concrete' pyramids

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  Posted by generallobus (U1869191) on Friday, 1st December 2006

  According to a new report by French and American scientists the two tonne limestone blocks that dress the pyramids on the Giza plateau were made by pouring a concrete-like paste of dissolved limestone into wooden formers high up on the pyramid base. According to the report there are 2 types of limestone blocks, one from quarries and one man made.
  
  X-ray, plasma torches and electron microscopes were used to test to compare fragments from pyramids with stone from Toura and Maadi quarries.
  They found "traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation...the reaction would be inexplicable if the stones werequarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete".
  
  Opponents point to the diverse shape of the stones as proof that formers were not used. The concrete theorists need more substantial samples from the Egyptian authorities before they can prove their theory.

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  Posted by boobare1 (U6751666) on Friday, 1st December 2006

  This is not true

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  Posted by generallobus (U1869191) on Friday, 1st December 2006

  Care to elaborate?

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  Posted by cladking (U6255252) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  There are formations around nearly all the pyramids which are apparently like stalagmites. These look like what's left after a really messy candle has burned all the way down. They also are found at numerous spots in the desert without a pyramid on them. They are composed of limestone and it's hardly inconcievable that the ancients observed the conditions which favored their growth and learned to make a form of concrete.
  
  While the proof for this theory remains speculative at the very least it is consistent with the known facts. It would be nice to see more real research on all aspects of the facts rather than only research directed at proving accepted fact. Most of the work done by the "pyramidiots" can be disproven very easily yet research or even demonstrations of the errors are not allowed.
  
  

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Friday, 15th December 2006

  Generallobus,
  
  made in the time 2002 or 2003 a thread for these boards about an article I had read in "Science et Vie" about the concrete blocks. Can find it back, but it is easier to look to the internet.
  
  
  The friendly host Katherine intervened also, while she was interested. Ah, those "oll" times...
  
  Nobody replied and I sought it myself about the critics from Britain and then their critic seemed valuable, but reading this article I am not sure anymore...
  
  Warm regards,
  
  Paul.

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  Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Saturday, 16th December 2006

  dear paul around the time you are talking about when the pyramids were built,they say that two different types of blocks were used,i am ok with this but the article also says that the wheel was not invented at this time,this is nonsense,the wheel was invented a long time before this,
  
  again i will finish this with my usual quote for posts like this, quote did you go to school past high babys or whatunquote.

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  Posted by cladking (U6255252) on Sunday, 17th December 2006

  I'm not certain that the wheel had been invented. Certainly in this place the wheel would have been usable since there was some hard flat terrain and smooth roads would have been generally easy to build. The wheel is a much more complicated device than many realize since we take it so much for granted.
  
  Consider that about half of pilots believe a jet plane couldn't take off if it were sitting on a conveyor belt which ran toward it at a higher speed as the plane accelerated. This comes essentially from misunderstanding the nature of the wheel. (the movement of the belt can't push against the plane because the wheel turns on its axle out of the way).
  
  There is evidence that they didn't have use of the wheel. There's not only the fact that none survive (to my knowledge), but also the fact that they didn't have block and tackle or the pulley. There is a small wooden device often referred to as a protopulley which looks like a quarter section of a pulley with the center hole for an axle. I've been putting a lot of thought into what such a device might be used for. Despite usually being good at this, I'm drawing blanks so far.
  
  Perhaps there is another tool used in conjunction with it that would explain it. These "pulleys" litter the desert around the pyramids so must have been an important tool.
  
  My theory so far is that they must be a connector of some sort but what would they connect and how?

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  Posted by generallobus (U1869191) on Monday, 18th December 2006

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  Hi Paul
  
  That was the same article I cut and pasted. It looks as though the authors are hedgeing their bets slightly, saying that until further evidence is supplied the jury is still out.

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Monday, 18th December 2006

  Dear "goodbadugly" and generallobus,I was in a hurry to go for visits and didn't do in depth research as usual (smile). But it was indeed the same controversy from it seems now from my research from an article in "Sciences et Vie" from 2001. As now the "official" Egyptologists seems to downplay the whole event as that there would be enough ashes to feed that great amount needed for the pyramids. It was in that time I made the thread in 2002 with the British egyptologists as now? They simply said that it was not possible...As generallobus says the question is still open, even with more "fervour" as late as the beginning of this month December. If you understand French, from the site I will mention...Why let the Egyptian "official" the team of Davidovits together with other scientists not take "samples" from the pyramids?And why is that team excluded from "official" Egyptologist's congresses? Why aren't they allowed to do the "final" research?See on the French website a film how the "concrete" blocks were made and other items by clicking on the http's. [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator] regards to both,Paul.

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