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Message 1.Β
Posted by Bullboys-shoes (U3371670) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
any truth in the story about the lost ark?
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Message 2
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
i suppose that depends on what story you are refering to
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Message 3
Posted by Bullboys-shoes (U3371670) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
is there a lost ark? is it hidden somewhere? does it shoot out ghosts that kill you if you look at them?
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Message 4
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
yes there was an Ark built by the Hebews, yes it was stored in the Temple in Jerusalem
yes it was stolen most prob by the Egyptians. There the story ends.
It was most likey broken up for the gold and inlaid wood.
there is the legend that it made it as far as Ethiopia where it rests in a local church, but that is legend.
as the ghost? purlease, cheese and a scary movie before bed makes for a silly post -
Message 5
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
it was a box that contained two small tablets that was hidden or stolen by the egyptians during the reign of king ramasies,there are hyrogliphs that show the arc being transported to egypt so it is probaly buried in the ground in egypt or palastine,there are a lot of arcs in ethoipa as king solomons mines were there so you will find a lot of them there whether or not they have the arc is debateable,it will probaly turn up in the future or it wll never be found if it was buried under other buildings in israel or egypt or palastine.
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Message 6
Posted by A_Wanderer (U1760877) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
The ark is symbolic, created to show the greatness of Gods law. However it is unknown whether it was actually created or a metaphor.
It is unclear whether the Eqyptian depiction is of the ark, if it is, it is likely to have gone into the treasuries at Thebes, which were sacked twice by Persians and almost compleetly destroyed my the Romans after the deaths of Antony and Cleopatra. However the time line does make it possible for the Ark to have been moved after the Persians but beofe the Romans, the likely destination either Ethopia in the south or Cyprus in the North.
Almost certianly though, at some point, it woud be destroyed due to the gold content being to valuable to keep.
However, I think the likelyhood is that it is metaphoric, both of the hebrews and Eqyptians, a show of power and opulance. -
Message 7
Posted by Disgruntled_Renegade (U530059) on Monday, 13th March 2006
Well the Ark really did have the powers subscribed to it !!!
There was a very interesting article in a recent fortean times about the ark. We know that the ancient egyptians etc were capable of using static electricity to electroplate things with gold, static batteries thousands of years old have been found in Iraq, its all very basic technology really, rediscovered by people like thomas jefferson who used to experiment with flying kites in thunderstorms etc.
from the (very accurate and specific) descriptions of the Ark given in sources such as the bible, and what it was to be constructed from, and how, the authors of the article theorise that the Ark of the Covenant was a storage box for what they believed to be the word of God, and at the same time a security device and a way to impress the believers.
from its materials, the complete ark once placed in its specially constructed Temple would be a very powerful static battery, anyone touching the arc without being in on the secrets would be fried, during the right atmospheric conditions the ark would also have given off sparks and flashes as the electricity jumped between the two conductors (the statues)
if true then a fantastic piece of showmanship to impress the people with, using perfectly achievable natural phenomena. -
Message 8
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Monday, 13th March 2006
it is locked in the ministry of defences wharehouse in britian,thats where they put it in the end of the film so try there first.
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Message 9
Posted by DocMike15 (U3167117) on Monday, 13th March 2006
Citing the 'Fortean Times' is not helpful to your cause....
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Message 10
Posted by Disgruntled_Renegade (U530059) on Monday, 13th March 2006
I dont have a "cause"
I was merely pointing out that some academics have given a believable explanation for what the Ark may have been, a static battery, items which provably DID exist in the ancient middle east, the Ark of the Covenant was simply larger and prettier to look at.
What is so unlikely that ancient jewish peoples put their laws into a gold encrusted box? The Ark almost certainly existed as a material object, you just need to remove the mystical religious aspect... -
Message 11
Posted by Simon21 (U1338658) on Monday, 13th March 2006
Because you don't beleive something just because it is in the bible.
There is no evidence there was any ark anytmore than there was a Noah's Ark or a talking Donkey, or a Giant called Goliath or an Angel of Death.
I dont have a "cause"
I was merely pointing out that some academics have given a believable explanation for what the Ark may have been, a static battery, items which provably DID exist in the ancient middle east, the Ark of the Covenant was simply larger and prettier to look at.
What is so unlikely that ancient jewish peoples put their laws into a gold encrusted box? The Ark almost certainly existed as a material object, you just need to remove the mystical religious aspect...Β -
Message 12
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Monday, 13th March 2006
maybe not but as beleivable/not beleviable goes then the Ark of the Covenant is a very beleivable object. All religions build something to glorify their god. The hebrews had no fixed land, were at the time of stated construction a migratory state of living and therefore a temple was impracticle at best. an ark was an obvious answer
as the fortean times article, there is nothing to say that they arent right, from what i've heard they arent talking about gods and ghosts but simple natural phenomina (sp)but that is by the by, -
Message 13
Posted by Disgruntled_Renegade (U530059) on Monday, 13th March 2006
Indeed. the article began with saying, remove ideas of religion/god etc to maintain a clearer scientific approach.
the article simply claims that the Ark of the Covenant was very clever use of natural static electricity in order to fool a religious and easily impressed population into thinking they were watching divine phenomena. -
Message 14
Posted by gumption78 (U2800277) on Wednesday, 15th March 2006
Lake Tana, Ethiopia - good fishing too.
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Message 15
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 15th March 2006
"I was merely pointing out that some academics have given a believable explanation for what the Ark may have been..."
What academics? The old battery/electroplating/thingummyjig theory (as old as Von Daniken, the German con-artist) hits rather sticky ground when it is pointed out that a) there is no detailed design specification such as you (and VonDaniken) suggest, b) the term believable should not include theories only believed by the gullible and c) it wouldn't work anyway, even according to the fanciful specifications you (I mean Von Daniken) suggested.
I blame Spielberg for all this crapology!
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Message 16
Posted by DocMike15 (U3167117) on Friday, 17th March 2006
Spielburg and Lucas made a great film (one of my favourites). The problem is with the sort of people who believe Von Daniken, 'Fingerprints of the Gods', Pyramidology and what they saw on some dodgy cable channel. As they say in the Darwin awards - 'stupidity is forever'.
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Message 17
Posted by PaulaG (U3004479) on Tuesday, 28th March 2006
Stop stop everyone! The way I see it, if you're going to believe the Bible and what it tells us, then YOU ARE GOING TO BELIEVE IT.
Seems logical that Moses had the rules for good living from God and put them in a box for safe keeping. The box could have been plain or decorated. Who knows? Certainly it would have been looked on as special anyhow. So there WAS an ark in that sense. We haven't got it now so it is ... lost.
Von Daniken and Darwin make me despair!
God was not of this Earth, he came from 'somewhere else.' In that sense I suppose he was a man from outer space, but not in the sense Von Daniken would have us believe.
And didn't the sons of Adam and Eve take wives from among the daghters of the Sons of Earth? Think about it, Darwin could have been half right but in his fixation with evolution been unable to see there was another side to the coin. -
Message 18
Posted by Gracchi (U3350920) on Tuesday, 28th March 2006
Could the ark been have been a superconductor, the the Ark is also constructed like a capacitor. Double plated - inside and out - with pure gold, and an acacia wood sandwiched insulator, i like the idea that the ancients had control over this , to move large blocks, etc,etc, Think you will find the hebrews took this from the egyptians, maybe not knowing how to use it,(fear it),maybe the middle kingdom had forgot how to use it?,
or maybe menelek took it with him to Axum , and used it to move the massive stones there?.
who knows -
Message 19
Posted by Helm_nufc (U3371194) on Friday, 31st March 2006
While we're at it should we tackle the Holy Grail as well?
I recon its hanging above the bar in Wykham Arms in Winchester but im not to sure!
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