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Tentative timeline of Celtic Mythology with Archaeology

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  Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Thursday, 16th February 2006

  3000 BC Megalithic culture -?
  2500 BC Beaker People - The proto P Celt - 2500BC Britain and Ireland - Metal Bronze - Stone circles
  
  1600 BC Eruption of Thera - ,earthquakes, floods, world wide devastation. Beaker people in Ireland decimated in flood.
  
  1500 BC Partholonians (people of Tholon or Dolon, Baltic\Thrace\Greece) in Ireland - second wave of proto P Celts, came via coasts of southern Italy and Europe. Decimated by Plague. Bronze. Tumulous culture.
  
  1300/1200 BC Nemedians - Fomorians - Nemedians possibly Baltic\Scythian moved westwards along coasts and then mixed with southern proto Celts in France then moved via French coast to Ireland. Formed the start of the proto Celtic culture we recognize in Central France/Europe. Destroy each other in Ireland. Fomorians worshipped Baal so would have been of North African/palestinian/Canaanite origin. Dark hair and complexion. Considered Pirates - so possibly Phoenicians. Phoenicans were a mix of Cananite and Greeks. Start of Urnfield culture. Early Hallstatt culture.
  
  850 BC Fir Bolg(The Belgae) Galeoin(Gauls) Fir Domhnann(Dumnoni)- p Celts in Britain and Ireland. Hill forts, Warrior Class originaly from Baltic, northern Greek/Thracian region, moved up into central Europe, mixed with Nemedians/Scythians then into France, Spain and Britain and Ireland. With Bronze. Time of the start of the Celtic Iberian conquest. Late Hallstatt culture early iron age.
  
  750 BC The Tuatha De Danaan, people of the Goddess Danu in Ireland. Most likely Anatolian 'Greeks', with Bronze, sun Worship, Dragon(Dagon?) emblem. Shared Ireland with Celts. Also in Britain. Celtic Iberian conquest gaining momentum.
  
  600 BC Iron introduced in Britain and Ireland. More Gaulish tribes in Britain. Iberia neary all conquored by Celts, including Basques, who lend parts of language to Q Celtic.
  
  500 BC Iberian invasions of Ireland- Goidelic or Gaelic invasion - Q Celts. Celts had subjugated the Iberians, including Basques, who lend parts of language to Q Celtic. The Iberians were possibly not originaly Celts.
  
  We can see a common link here between the mythology and the arrivals of the proto - Celts and Celts and how, as the Irish myths makes clear, they all considered themselves closely related except the fomorians\Phoeicians who spoke a differet language, Semitic?
  
  This is a tentative list. I am not an expert in ceramc/pottery archaeology so any comments or adjustment are welcome...

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  Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Thursday, 16th February 2006

  Hi all
  
  Slight aditions to the above. Whilst the Celts had moved into Central Iberia by 750BC they then came into contact with the Carthaginians who had moved into Southern Spain via Africa around 790BC. These Carthaginians were of course descendants of Phoenicians,and so were also the dreaded Fomorians. This would explain the later mentions of the Fomorians on the Islands surrounding Ireland.
  
  I should also say that the Danaans, peoples of Danu were probably also mixed Greeks and Ionians, Scythians and possibly Lydians.
  

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  Posted by henvell (U1781664) on Friday, 17th February 2006

  G'day Artorious,
  The chronology of the megalith era is equivocal,
  because the material,which has been radio carbon dated,can not always be confidently associated with the stone structures.About 18 months ago an Irish archaeologist speculated that the earliest Carrowmore stone burials dated to the first half of the 6th millennnium BCE.Recently he has not been as adamant about this estimate.Most Irish sources infer that the Irish megalith period began circa 4200BCE.
  The earliest Orkney structures date to post or possibily slightly before 4000BCE.The Iberian and Brittany megaliths may date as early as 48000BCE-
  who was first to build along the Atlantic fringe??
  -a moat point.
  Bob

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  Posted by henvell (U1781664) on Saturday, 18th February 2006

  Typing error-4800BCE.

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  Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Sunday, 19th February 2006

  Did the Celts call themselves Celts?
  Was it a mass migration of people?
  Or just a migration of ideas?

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  Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Sunday, 19th February 2006

  Hi Henvell and all
  
  Yes , the magalithic started earlier, I was just giving as date within reach of my second date 2500BC.
  
  Did the Celts call themselves Celts. Yes, is the answer. There is evidence of this. The Gauls and other Celtic tribes would have known what the Romans and Greeks called them, so they adopted this name and called themselves this in a collective way. Just as the Egyptians did when the rest of the known world started calling them Egyptians, about 800BC, due to the Greeks.
  
  To me this Egyptian label also proves that the Myceaean ended around 850-800BC, as Myceaean linear B contains a reference to a man called 'the Egyptian'. Now if te Egyptians were not called such until around 800BC that proves linear B was around until about then, just as the new alphabet was comming into use.
  
  

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