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Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Tuesday, 14th February 2006
Channel 4 are doing a show about everyone's favourite head hunting tribe, presented by Richard Rudgeley
This will be tackling myths surrounding the Celts and one of the revelations apparently is that the Irish were not Celts
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Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Tuesday, 14th February 2006
it is true that the irish were head hunters,
but you must also remember that archeology has proven that up to two thousand years ago the english were still canabils,and the practice of eating each other, friend and foe alike, was still a thriveing food source,the scotish also practicd this as well,
the irish are a mixie match of vikings, norweigins,englisg irish welsh and french and germanic and probaly spanish as well ,ireland is easily reachable from any of these countrys,and there has always been a flow of people,there is also an egyptian princess buried in co kerry who traveled there in a reed boat,
d n a tests have shown a lot of people in these isles share the same d n a ,
the irish are probably celt saxony,as they had an established society more advanced that britan with social order and trade in gold and other metals with mainland france and mainland norway and denmarkLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Wednesday, 15th February 2006
Hi Gaiseric
This should be interesting. The only way I can see that they could claim that the Irish were not Celts is if the Iberians arrived much later than the Eastern Celts I propose for England. Ie he may be distinguishing between a Brythonic or original Celt from Europe and an Iberian or later people who arrived and learnt perhaps of the Celtic culture from Eastern England Celts or eastern Celts resident in Ireland at the time. Again the problem is with the use of the word Celt as an overall use for the peoples of both the P Celts and Q celts. To me it seems to be a strained idea if this is the suggestion. The P and Q celt languages are very closely linked. To seperate them and call them different peoples could possibly be true,but to take away the Celtic label from the Irish may be harder to work.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by up4tea (U3248772) on Thursday, 16th February 2006
I don't think the advert suggests that the Irish were not of Celtic descent, I think what they are saying is that the Celts did not originate in any of the areas typically considered Celtic...
Will have to do more research, altho I think they came from Gaul or Germanic areas?Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Wednesday, 22nd February 2006
European Celts are widely understood to have traveled east to west thro europe.And the invasions to these shores have taken the same route.Therefore,the last bastions of Celtic Britain will always be the western fringes of our Isles,where Celtic traditions survived last,not first
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Posted by lolbeeble (U1662865) on Wednesday, 22nd February 2006
Where is it proven that two millennia ago the Eglish were canibals? Human sacrafice certainly. A site name would be nice. Further what makes you think that Ireland's inhabitants were somehow more socially advanced than whereever you
want to place the "English" at this time. I'm not sure the Angles had been identified as a specific ethnic group that long ago however.
As for DNA suggesting that alot of Irish people share the same genetic material, think for a second and tell me where most of your relatives live? Umm, not those in Britain, the US or Australia by the way.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Wednesday, 22nd February 2006
If you want to be picky,2,000 years ago the English were in the Rhinelands.The Britons were in the British isles.And i dismiss totally that we were cannibals then.
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Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Wednesday, 22nd February 2006
Hi all
I dont think it would be unusual to find evidence in many cultures for the odd bit of cannabalism. When food is in short supply or disasters strike then humans will do whatever they have to to survive. I think there has indeed been archaelogical evidence of cannabalism in very very ancient Britons. Dont think it would apply to the much younger English though.(except at Sea of course when stranded)Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 9
Posted by Researcher 2922573 (U2922573) on Thursday, 23rd February 2006
Is that why a Haggis looks like a shrunken head
it is true that the irish were head hunters,
but you must also remember that archeology has proven that up to two thousand years ago the english were still canabils,and the practice of eating each other, friend and foe alike, was still a thriveing food source,the scotish also practicd this as well,
the irish are a mixie match of vikings, norweigins,englisg irish welsh and french and germanic and probaly spanish as well ,ireland is easily reachable from any of these countrys,and there has always been a flow of people,there is also an egyptian princess buried in co kerry who traveled there in a reed boat,
d n a tests have shown a lot of people in these isles share the same d n a ,
the irish are probably celt saxony,as they had an established society more advanced that britan with social order and trade in gold and other metals with mainland france and mainland norway and denmark
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Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Thursday, 23rd February 2006
Cut marks on bones does not confirm or dispell cannibalism,it could just be from the process of de-fleshing bones for internment of some kind.Untill we find a human coprolite containing human remains i don't think we will ever be able to say with any certainty.Of course,it is easy to imagine that at some point in the past we would not have found it repugnant to feast on ones own kind,and some present day cultures are known to have practised this until recent times.But these are exceptions. Hi all
I dont think it would be unusual to find evidence in many cultures for the odd bit of cannabalism. When food is in short supply or disasters strike then humans will do whatever they have to to survive. I think there has indeed been archaelogical evidence of cannabalism in very very ancient Britons. Dont think it would apply to the much younger English though.(except at Sea of course when stranded)
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Message 11
Posted by Eric_Brewster (U2829317) on Monday, 27th February 2006
Subject: The Irish Celts Not Celt-Tv Documentary-British Celts Cannibals?
Eric Brewster 44th:I find this advertisement and documentary quite lacking, as far as I know, and I have researched this alot. There were or may have been about 4 differing groups of Celts that came together to form 2 main groups that we associate with the Irish and English Celts of Briton and Ireland.
While there has been a lot of Archeology going on, nobody has done an comprehensive study of people's last names. I have since I have been interested in studying my own family surnames.
As far as the British being head hunters or the Irish being the same it could have been the last measures of an small number of clans going crazy when hunting was poor in the mountain areas of England and Ireland in the very remote past of some 10,000 to 5000 years ago. The Briton Celts and the Irish Celts grew crops nearly the same as we do now. The Irish Celts raised sheep, cattle and goats; they raised hounds for hunting, the Irish Wolfhound is a prime example.
I had watched the tv documentary "Insearch Of Myths and Heroes: Arthur-Once And Future King" and found it all very amusing that Michael Wood let himself be lead astray by halftruths and the hogwash that the socalled storytellers were trying to tell him about King Arthur.
By the time that the legends and myths filtered down to the 1100s and the 1700s they were so blown out of porportion that one could not make sense of them and the Bards that told those stories were being paid for outragious tales the bigger they were the more coins they got from the ignorant upper classes in their castle great halls.
King Arthur was a hero and a real one, he fought fantastic battles and the cousin of Gweniviere, Lawerence O'Donnelly MacDermaid had no interest into getting her into his bed! It was the later Victorians etc that wanted Gweniviere to take tumbles in the hay, the High Kingship Of Briton royals were loyal to their positions.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 12
Posted by lolbeeble (U1662865) on Monday, 27th February 2006
Yes, and diseases like Kuru tend to be rather prevelent among those given spinal and brain matter. In the Papua New Guinea Highlands the Fore males tended to eat the main fleshy parts and organs while females and children typically were given human brain and spinal matter and as the condition appears more prevelent amongst these groups the suggestion is the neurolical disease may be the result of cannibalism. Mind you I gather that wider study of the proteins affected in Kuru like diseases concluded the reason there was no major outbreak of CruezfeldJakobs disease in humans after BSE infected cattle was because we have specific prions to deal with such conditions left over from the periods when starvation was commonplace and meat less plentiful.
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Message 13
Posted by Eric_Brewster (U2829317) on Thursday, 2nd March 2006
Eric Brewster 44th: lolbeelbe, I certainly agree with you about such things as the MadCowdisease; people back then used cowbrains as a food. With our specialized medical testing equipment it would have been easy to find out about such things but in their era it would have been impossible.
Oh there was sometimes when the game was scarce but the Irish and British that had kept livestock and vegetable gardens for their clans, the larger clans in southern Briton and the clans of Irish in Mid-Ireland and Northern Ireland did at times have enough food to survive. Many traditions and the eventual better practices towards livestock management, got such clans to a better supporting of their peoples in their food production.
But Archeologists of today cannot say that some British and Irish Celts were all head hunters and cannibals, there is very slight evidence to support this, yes there were northern British and Irish pagan tribes that still used human sacrifice, the weepeoples did at times.....But They Did Not Eat People after they sacrificed them! Merlin Emryies himself was to be an Hillfolk sacrifice if ahhhhhh God or Jesu had not interviened.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 14
Posted by rstebbin (U3414354) on Wednesday, 8th March 2006
If we put everything into perspective for a moment.
The Celts are a very difficult culture to pin down, we need a better definition. Are you talking about Iron Age people in general, or the Keltoi, or the Britons? Are you assuming that La Tene Culture is at the heart of Celticism?
I don't agree with 'the Celts' as a single race or culture, it's similar to the term 'European', there are many different cultures and societies within Europe that bear no resemblance, physical or otherwise to each other, but we are still all European. Don't assume because someone refers to the Celts, they can be put in a small box...
On the matter of human cannibalism, what makes everyone so sure it didn't happen? Just because you wouldn't do it, doesnt mean it didin't happen. It is common practice in some societies even today, and there is plenty of evidence pointing to the defleshing of bone for some reason...why not cannibalism?
It is really important not to put your own social and moral boundaries onto people we know nothing about. Archaeology can only tell you so much, and the rest is open to interpretation, so don't just say it can't have happened because you are uncomfortable with the idea...Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by Simon21 (U1338658) on Wednesday, 8th March 2006
I agree with your depiction of the Celts, the term is almost meaningless. And the Channel four documentary looks ridculously overblown (string of golden magic?)
But cannibalism is not common in any society and there is some doubt that apart from religious purposes on specific occasions it has ever been done at all, anywahere.
It has been noted that accusations seem to come from groups accusing neighbouring people etc etc of being cannibals. If we put everything into perspective for a moment.
The Celts are a very difficult culture to pin down, we need a better definition. Are you talking about Iron Age people in general, or the Keltoi, or the Britons? Are you assuming that La Tene Culture is at the heart of Celticism?
I don't agree with 'the Celts' as a single race or culture, it's similar to the term 'European', there are many different cultures and societies within Europe that bear no resemblance, physical or otherwise to each other, but we are still all European. Don't assume because someone refers to the Celts, they can be put in a small box...
On the matter of human cannibalism, what makes everyone so sure it didn't happen? Just because you wouldn't do it, doesnt mean it didin't happen. It is common practice in some societies even today, and there is plenty of evidence pointing to the defleshing of bone for some reason...why not cannibalism?
It is really important not to put your own social and moral boundaries onto people we know nothing about. Archaeology can only tell you so much, and the rest is open to interpretation, so don't just say it can't have happened because you are uncomfortable with the idea...ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by rstebbin (U3414354) on Wednesday, 8th March 2006
For anyone who doubts the existence of cannibalism as a practise, it is beyond any doubt. The practise has been classified into a number of catagories, associated with the reasons for practising.
I would like to draw your attention to some tribes in South East Asia, who only "stopped" practising cannibalism in the mid-twentieth century upon falling under the legal framework of Australian law. This was cannibalism practised in funerary ritual.
There are numerous accounts of cannibalism practised as a survival method, such as the Andes air-craft crash. More to follow tomorrow. In the meantime, I can recommend 'The Buried Soul' by Tim Taylor.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by IndianaKate (U3450998) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
Cannibalism is a well documented phenomenon in the ethnographic record and as already mentioned it's probably adopted more in times of desperation rather than as a regular event in prehisorty, not very beneficial for group if you keep eating all the members!
I just wanted to say that the cut mark link to internment mentioned earlier is well established in many Greek cultures where the body is buried for a period of time before it is dug up and redeposited. If any flesh was still present on the bones it was not uncommon for it to be cut off, leaving distinctive markings. Discussed widely in connection to marked bones of children at Knossos.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 18
Posted by ap Tom (U1380901) on Monday, 13th March 2006
I haven't replied to this thread before as I had not seen the programme as I was away when it was broadcast. However, having seen it at the weekrnd when shown on More4, I can't help wondering if anyone else on this thread has seen it.
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Message 19
Posted by Mick_mac (U2874010) on Monday, 13th March 2006
ap Tom,
There has been some discussion of this programme on the following thread:
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Message 20
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Monday, 13th March 2006
yes there was canabils in britan,and in scotland have you all forgetton the fact that scottish outlaws used to capture and rob, then kill and eat unweary travellers and this was not too long ago.
so denying that they were canabils in britan is a silly thing to do.
there is no evedince of canabils in ireland only britan.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 21
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Thursday, 16th March 2006
European Celts are widely understood to have traveled east to west thro europe.And the invasions to these shores have taken the same route.Therefore,the last bastions of Celtic Britain will always be the western fringes of our Isles,where Celtic traditions survived last,not firstÌý
Yes from south East to north West. They left some in their wake notably the Serbians who are regrettably Celtic. My "pure" welsh father used to meet people in the street in Belgrade who looked exactly like himself! Extraordinary throwback of experience!
These modern myths of human sacrifice amongst Celts are an exageration, and an attempt to "dumb down" the modern Celt.
Of course there was jousting and fighting for supremacy amongst kings, and there were deaths too
because of it, but cannibalism is highly unlikely
It does occur in all generations occasionally and among all cultures but to suggest a general
appetite for it from the particular instance is quite wrong. Weren't the Romans so civilised!?Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 22
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Thursday, 16th March 2006
Is that why a Haggis looks like a shrunken head
it is true that the irish were head hunters,
but you must also remember that archeology has proven that up to two thousand years ago the english were still canabils,and the practice of eating each other, friend and foe alike, was still a thriveing food source,the scotish also practicd this as well,
the irish are a mixie match of vikings, norweigins,englisg irish welsh and french and germanic and probaly spanish as well ,ireland is easily reachable from any of these countrys,and there has always been a flow of people,there is also an egyptian princess buried in co kerry who traveled there in a reed boat,
d n a tests have shown a lot of people in these isles share the same d n a ,
the irish are probably celt saxony,as they had an established society more advanced that britan with social order and trade in gold and other metals with mainland france and mainland norway and denmark
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no, haggis is buetiful, the queen o' the puddin' race!Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 23
Posted by lolbeeble (U1662865) on Friday, 17th March 2006
Well that will come as a surprise to Tacitus, Effie_Mera, especially as that is where the likes of the Whicker Man derive their inspiration. How can one "dumb down" people who have left no written record? They already seem pretty mute. I'm not sure if one can call Iron age bodies like Tollund and Lindow man celtic however but they sure look like human sacrafice from the iron age.
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Message 24
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
"dumb down" by where they get to, not what they say
or write. If they are dumb they are not likely to have written anything are they?
clever Roman Londinium.... dumb Ireland/Wales and so on. The Holy Roman Grail... justification by faith... others are cannibals. No!
I really do no accept that CANNIBALISM prevailed in any part of these islands, except as a gross anomaly.
I have seen some literature on the subject.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 25
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
Human sacrifice is rather different from Cannibalism. Human sacrifice may not mean "eating"
a sacrificial human victim. In my humble opinion, it certainly does not.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 26
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
admit it the english at that time were canabils and no one has proved any different as to how bones have been found in england dateing back hundreds of years with human teeth marks on the bones and not just one bone but lots of bones all over the place.
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Message 27
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
Cannibalism has been a habit in recent years in parts of Africa and Papua PNG. Both of those are jungle areas,very wet, very humid. The Burmese
jungle people also.
Are the Chinese known to have been cannibals or the Indians? Or the desert berbers?
No case!
Somebody who wants to prove the bounds of Christianity ancient or modern, would be keen to show that all without, are not justified by faith.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 28
Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
Nothing to admit.The English weren't even around then.No one has proven either way.Should be called The Good,The Bad And The Misinformed! admit it the english at that time were canabils and no one has proved any different as to how bones have been found in england dateing back hundreds of years with human teeth marks on the bones and not just one bone but lots of bones all over the place.Ìý
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Message 29
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Saturday, 18th March 2006
And the Druids and bards were.
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Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
the english were canabils and papering over the cracks and denying it will only make you look a fool,now you know what is wrong with ancient history,it is in denial in englang,you seem to think that your history only began when the romans invaded,there are numerous examples of canabilisim being practised in england and scotland,but the denial that you see here is dangerous as it leads to misleading posts and a twisting of the facts by disgruntled people who have problems with their history in britan.
ps the romans had to show the english what sewerage was as before that they were going to the toilet everywhere. Nothing to admit.The English weren't even around then.No one has proven either way.Should be called The Good,The Bad And The Misinformed! admit it the english at that time were canabils and no one has proved any different as to how bones have been found in england dateing back hundreds of years with human teeth marks on the bones and not just one bone but lots of bones all over the place.Ìý ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
Can you show me that "Transubstantiation" ie the body and blood of Christ and the EATING thereof
as a real body and blood, is a Jewish precedent for the Christian faith to follow then your theories about the English might have more credence.
It was merely a mumbo jumbo belief .... if you believe this you will believe anything.... so we've got you where we want you!
The total TABOO on eating human flesh in nearly all parts of the world since time immemmorial makes it that much worse to consider as possible. The post
Roman theologians would have been perfectly happy to draw on examples of cannibalism drawn from
stories returning from darkest Africa to quell the natives of these islands at that time.
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Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
yum yum the english were canabils and you better ask the natural history antropoligist and they will tell you the same thing the english were canabils,you have also forgotten the amount of bones found in scotland from the 16 century that had teeth marks and knife marks on them,this is from the time that scotish outlaws waylaid travellers and stole from them raped the women and killed and ate the people,this is true and part of your history the problem is that english people will not admit that this is true.you were all canabils.as for we got you where we want you where is that exactly as you are looking the likely man for the pointy hat with the d on the front. Can you show me that "Transubstantiation" ie the body and blood of Christ and the EATING thereof
as a real body and blood, is a Jewish precedent for the Christian faith to follow then your theories about the English might have more credence.
It was merely a mumbo jumbo belief .... if you believe this you will believe anything.... so we've got you where we want you!
The total TABOO on eating human flesh in nearly all parts of the world since time immemmorial makes it that much worse to consider as possible. The post
Roman theologians would have been perfectly happy to draw on examples of cannibalism drawn from
stories returning from darkest Africa to quell the natives of these islands at that time.
I must say that the Druid priests would not have given it much thought on account of the TABOO.ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 33
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
Message 32 is just rubbish. no further replies from here.
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Message 34
Posted by koomartherammie (U2070074) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
For the record i do not like history from the Romans onwards........Too many foreigners.Pre-history for me.The anthropologist you refer to probably has his own theories,like everyone else has.Remember this,opinions are like anusholes,everyone has one. the english were canabils and papering over the cracks and denying it will only make you look a fool,now you know what is wrong with ancient history,it is in denial in englang,you seem to think that your history only began when the romans invaded,there are numerous examples of canabilisim being practised in england and scotland,but the denial that you see here is dangerous as it leads to misleading posts and a twisting of the facts by disgruntled people who have problems with their history in britan.
ps the romans had to show the english what sewerage was as before that they were going to the toilet everywhere. Nothing to admit.The English weren't even around then.No one has proven either way.Should be called The Good,The Bad And The Misinformed! admit it the english at that time were canabils and no one has proved any different as to how bones have been found in england dateing back hundreds of years with human teeth marks on the bones and not just one bone but lots of bones all over the place.Ìý Ìý ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Posted by lolbeeble (U1662865) on Sunday, 19th March 2006
I know members of the Beat went on to form the Fine Young Cannnibals. Other than that I'm afraid I haven't come up with too much except the prion evidence to back this up. Scotland is fairly large, care to narrow it down a bit. Its part of our history that we believe Jews stole Christian babies to mix their blood into their bread for passover, doesn't mean it happened as quite frankly the establishment will ascribe all sorts of deviant acts to those outside mainstream society.
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Message 36
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Monday, 20th March 2006
I have actually come across educated people who belive the sophisticated and entirely false myth about Celtic Cannibalism.
The above correspondent is refering to English Cannibalism, which is just as curious.
It is an invention, and a fantasy.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 37
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
denial or what I have actually come across educated people who belive the sophisticated and entirely false myth about Celtic Cannibalism.
The above correspondent is refering to English Cannibalism, which is just as curious.
It is an invention, and a fantasy.ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 38
Posted by ap Tom (U1380901) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
yum yum the english were canabils and you better ask the natural history antropoligist and they will tell you the same thing the english were canabils,you have also forgotten the amount of bones found in scotland from the 16 century that had teeth marks and knife marks on them,this is from the time that scotish outlaws waylaid travellers and stole from them raped the women and killed and ate the people,this is true and part of your history the problem is that english people will not admit that this is true.you were all canabils.as for we got you where we want you where is that exactly as you are looking the likely man for the pointy hat with the d on the front.Ìý
The English did not exist at the times you seem to be referring to. The Scottish story would seem to be just that - a story. There is no archaeological (or anthropological) evidence to support this idea.
There may well have been cannibalism in the British Isles, as well as other parts of Europe. Certain kinds of cut-marks on bones have been interpreted as evidence of the butchery of human meat. On the other hand it could be part of a de-fleshing procedure or ritual.
There are stories of cannibalism in cases of desperation such as famine periods. Humans will probably forget social and cultural taboos when faced with a challenge to their very survival.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 39
Posted by jidian (U3225510) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Well that explains alot. Joke - Joke - Joke, my father in law was a Gregory, my mother in law a Byrne and her mother a Doyle.
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Message 40
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
The last para is possible; the rest is falsified myth.
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Message 41
Posted by Jay walker (U685047) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Thegoodbadugly-, how do you know that the travellers you mention weren't Weary?
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Message 42
Posted by Jay walker (U685047) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Effie, What is a ''Falsified Myth ?'' please.
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Message 43
Posted by Leviathan (U2221914) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
This is one of the most ignorant and misinformed statements I have seen on these boards!!!
I am assuming that your reference to "Scottish Cannibals" is a nod to the legend of Sawney Bean the infamous Ayrshire cannibal, well sorry to disappoint you but it is simply that a legend created by sections of the English population following the last Jacobite rebellion in 1745/46 in an effort to dehumanise the people of Scotland, in fact the name "Sawney" is derogatory name for a Scotsman in certain parts of northern England.
I think you will find that throughout history people have been labled as cannibals by their enemies as an attempt to condone racism/ethnic cleansing as per the clearances of the Scottish highlands following the '45.
yum yum the english were canabils and you better ask the natural history antropoligist and they will tell you the same thing the english were canabils,you have also forgotten the amount of bones found in scotland from the 16 century that had teeth marks and knife marks on them,this is from the time that scotish outlaws waylaid travellers and stole from them raped the women and killed and ate the people,this is true and part of your history the problem is that english people will not admit that this is true.you were all canabils.as for we got you where we want you where is that exactly as you are looking the likely man for the pointy hat with the d on the front. Can you show me that "Transubstantiation" ie the body and blood of Christ and the EATING thereof
as a real body and blood, is a Jewish precedent for the Christian faith to follow then your theories about the English might have more credence.
It was merely a mumbo jumbo belief .... if you believe this you will believe anything.... so we've got you where we want you!
The total TABOO on eating human flesh in nearly all parts of the world since time immemmorial makes it that much worse to consider as possible. The post
Roman theologians would have been perfectly happy to draw on examples of cannibalism drawn from
stories returning from darkest Africa to quell the natives of these islands at that time.
I must say that the Druid priests would not have given it much thought on account of the TABOO.Ìý ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 44
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Effie, What is a ''Falsified Myth ?'' please.Ìý
One that is not true.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 45
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
the english were canabils and papering over the cracks and denying it will only make you look a fool,now you know what is wrong with ancient history,it is in denial in englang,you seem to think that your history only began when the romans invaded,there are numerous examples of canabilisim being practised in england and scotland,but the denial that you see here is dangerous as it leads to misleading posts and a twisting of the facts by disgruntled people who have problems with their history in britan.
ps the romans had to show the english what sewerage was as before that they were going to the toilet everywhere. Nothing to admit.The English weren't even around then.No one has proven either way.Should be called The Good,The Bad And The Misinformed! admit it the english at that time were canabils and no one has proved any different as to how bones have been found in england dateing back hundreds of years with human teeth marks on the bones and not just one bone but lots of bones all over the place.Ìý Ìý Ìý
ha you wean! the ancient britons (not english, they didnt exist yet!) were jsut as clean as the romans, if not cleaner, after all, they invented soap! btw where are you from, perhaps we can acquaint you with the less desirable facts of your nations history?Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 46
Posted by Mick_mac (U2874010) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Effie, What is a ''Falsified Myth ?'' please.Ìý
One that is not true.Ìý
As opposed to a myth that is true, I suppose!!Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 47
Posted by Dai Bath (U2444609) on Tuesday, 21st March 2006
Effie, What is a ''Falsified Myth ?'' please.Ìý
One that is not true.Ìý
As opposed to a myth that is true, I suppose!!Ìý
Exactly that but a myth nonetheless.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 48
Posted by thegoodbadugly (U2942713) on Tuesday, 4th April 2006
quote this is the most ignorant and misinformed statements i have seen on this board,unquote.
do you not read your own posts you decendent of a cannabil you,if i had said the germans were cannabils then you would have agreed with me,because i have said that the english were cannabils you are in denial,and by the way i come from northside dublin i am a townie.
This is one of the most ignorant and misinformed statements I have seen on these boards!!!
I am assuming that your reference to "Scottish Cannibals" is a nod to the legend of Sawney Bean the infamous Ayrshire cannibal, well sorry to disappoint you but it is simply that a legend created by sections of the English population following the last Jacobite rebellion in 1745/46 in an effort to dehumanise the people of Scotland, in fact the name "Sawney" is derogatory name for a Scotsman in certain parts of northern England.
I think you will find that throughout history people have been labled as cannibals by their enemies as an attempt to condone racism/ethnic cleansing as per the clearances of the Scottish highlands following the '45.
yum yum the english were canabils and you better ask the natural history antropoligist and they will tell you the same thing the english were canabils,you have also forgotten the amount of bones found in scotland from the 16 century that had teeth marks and knife marks on them,this is from the time that scotish outlaws waylaid travellers and stole from them raped the women and killed and ate the people,this is true and part of your history the problem is that english people will not admit that this is true.you were all canabils.as for we got you where we want you where is that exactly as you are looking the likely man for the pointy hat with the d on the front. Can you show me that "Transubstantiation" ie the body and blood of Christ and the EATING thereof
as a real body and blood, is a Jewish precedent for the Christian faith to follow then your theories about the English might have more credence.
It was merely a mumbo jumbo belief .... if you believe this you will believe anything.... so we've got you where we want you!
The total TABOO on eating human flesh in nearly all parts of the world since time immemmorial makes it that much worse to consider as possible. The post
Roman theologians would have been perfectly happy to draw on examples of cannibalism drawn from
stories returning from darkest Africa to quell the natives of these islands at that time.
I must say that the Druid priests would not have given it much thought on account of the TABOO.Ìý Ìý ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 49
Posted by Leviathan (U2221914) on Saturday, 8th April 2006
(1) Not English, so I really couldn't care less whether the English were cannibals or not, although I highly doubt it due to the lack of irrefutable archeological evidence.
(2) The Ayrshire Cannibal was a MYTH, never happened.
(3) You have absolutely no knowledge of this subject or any other historical subject judging from your previous posts.
quote this is the most ignorant and misinformed statements i have seen on this board,unquote.
do you not read your own posts you decendent of a cannabil you,if i had said the germans were cannabils then you would have agreed with me,because i have said that the english were cannabils you are in denial,and by the way i come from northside dublin i am a townie.
This is one of the most ignorant and misinformed statements I have seen on these boards!!!
I am assuming that your reference to "Scottish Cannibals" is a nod to the legend of Sawney Bean the infamous Ayrshire cannibal, well sorry to disappoint you but it is simply that a legend created by sections of the English population following the last Jacobite rebellion in 1745/46 in an effort to dehumanise the people of Scotland, in fact the name "Sawney" is derogatory name for a Scotsman in certain parts of northern England.
I think you will find that throughout history people have been labled as cannibals by their enemies as an attempt to condone racism/ethnic cleansing as per the clearances of the Scottish highlands following the '45.
yum yum the english were canabils and you better ask the natural history antropoligist and they will tell you the same thing the english were canabils,you have also forgotten the amount of bones found in scotland from the 16 century that had teeth marks and knife marks on them,this is from the time that scotish outlaws waylaid travellers and stole from them raped the women and killed and ate the people,this is true and part of your history the problem is that english people will not admit that this is true.you were all canabils.as for we got you where we want you where is that exactly as you are looking the likely man for the pointy hat with the d on the front. Can you show me that "Transubstantiation" ie the body and blood of Christ and the EATING thereof
as a real body and blood, is a Jewish precedent for the Christian faith to follow then your theories about the English might have more credence.
It was merely a mumbo jumbo belief .... if you believe this you will believe anything.... so we've got you where we want you!
The total TABOO on eating human flesh in nearly all parts of the world since time immemmorial makes it that much worse to consider as possible. The post
Roman theologians would have been perfectly happy to draw on examples of cannibalism drawn from
stories returning from darkest Africa to quell the natives of these islands at that time.
I must say that the Druid priests would not have given it much thought on account of the TABOO.Ìý Ìý Ìý ÌýLink to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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Message 50
Posted by exilenm (U3903504) on Wednesday, 3rd May 2006
"These modern myths of human sacrifice amongst Celts are an exageration, and an attempt to "dumb down" the modern Celt."
Oh dear. The "modern myth" originates with Julius Caesar!
Many societies, some more "civilised" than the ancient Celts, practised human sacrifice. I don't see why we have to be so sensitive about it. We're talking about events of over 2,000 years ago. And at that time the ancestors of the English were less advanced than those of modern Celts (who spoke and wrote Greek, used coins, traded with the Romans, had an efficient agriculture, and so on), so I don't think it can be seen as an attempt to blacken the reputation of today's Celtic peoples.Link to this forum: Channel 4 in "Irish are not Celts" shock horror
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