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Greek records of Celtic dragon legend
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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by johnwelch (U2864217) on Monday, 2nd January 2006
The writing of the story of Celts' origins was spread from the time of Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔr to Diodorus of 1st.cent.BC. These writers recorded statements that are corroborated by the Gundestrup cauldron of 1st.cent AD. and by Welsh medieval and modern UK practice.
Evidently, a Celt or several such gents. said to Greeks that Brettanos of Gaul was father of Kelto viper-echidna dragon, the mother of Chimera goat-lion by virgin-birth and of Keltos
by Hercules.
The Gundestrup cauldron shows Cernunnos holding a goat-snake, like the French guivre "goat-horned dragon" wyvern. Hercules held Kelto to father Keltos. Above Cernunnos are 2 goat-lions.
Henry VII flew the goat-lion and the dragon flags of Wales, and placed the goat-lion as a sculpture on St.George's chapel at Windsor.
Today the dragon is worn on the robes of the Knights of the Garter, who stand with Chimera
goat-lion above.
"Chimera"<Greek chimaira "goat" was described as battling Greeks in Asia Minor, and became Mount Olympias volcano as war-goddess, guardian of Hades and sister of Keltos "the Celt"...(to be cont.)
Herodotus 4.5-8. Diodorus 2.43-5.24.
J.Fontenrose "Python" 1959. U.Cal. Cam. p98-9. -
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Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Wednesday, 4th January 2006
Hi John,
What do you reckon to the idea that the Dragon emblem was brought to the British Isles at the time of the Roman conquest. Supposedly a scythian cavalry group perhaps fying the banner based in northern Britain. This was then appropriated by Arthur and the Celts after the Romans left?
Perhaps as Celts are supposed to have scythian roots it may be that the Dragon was already known before the Romans. Is there any eveidence for this? -
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Posted by geniusbearhug (U2425598) on Wednesday, 4th January 2006
i do not know,but a good one for you,if the patron saint of england st george killed the dragon,but dragons do not exist so what did george kill and why do english people accept that george did not kill any dragon,it was in all probabilty a crocodile or alligator or a minator lizard that he killed brought to england by sailors when it was small and let go in the wilds when it became too big.
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Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Thursday, 5th January 2006
i do not know,but a good one for you,if the patron saint of england st george killed the dragon,but dragons do not exist so what did george kill and why do english people accept that george did not kill any dragon,it was in all probabilty a crocodile or alligator or a minator lizard that he killed brought to england by sailors when it was small and let go in the wilds when it became too big. Μύ
umm
George never came to England
He died before England even existed. -
Message 5
Posted by geniusbearhug (U2425598) on Thursday, 5th January 2006
so what are the chances that he also did not kill a dragon as some english people i know do not belive that george did not kill a dragon as they did not exist, i do not know,but a good one for you,if the patron saint of england st george killed the dragon,but dragons do not exist so what did george kill and why do english people accept that george did not kill any dragon,it was in all probabilty a crocodile or alligator or a minator lizard that he killed brought to england by sailors when it was small and let go in the wilds when it became too big. Μύ
umm
George never came to England
He died before England even existed.
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Message 6
Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Thursday, 5th January 2006
Hi Guys,
Re George and the Dragon.
I believe this just eludes to the wars between the Celts (Dragon) and Saxons. The later tellers of the story, the Normans, included their hero George into the story. Even the Red Cross of St Geroge is a Gallic flag appropriated by Richard during his time in France. -
Message 7
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Friday, 6th January 2006
no, George was a perfectly eastern saint. He was picked up and adopted by the English after the crusades where he was "brought" home to england. The dragon of the myth is a eastern myth. That there is a dragon welsh myth is coincidence but there is no more to read into St George than that
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Message 8
Posted by Elistan (U1872011) on Friday, 6th January 2006
Saw a mural of George and the Dragon in a Coptic church in Cario. It was beside the Church were Jesus was supposed to have hidden during Herod's slaughter of the innocents. Don't know if there is a link between the two, but Geogre was definitely Eastern.
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Message 9
Posted by Artorious (U1941655) on Friday, 6th January 2006
Hi Guys,
I didnt say George was Galic or Norman. I just said he was one of their heros and that the flag is gallic. If he was of eastern origin that is fine. -
Message 10
Posted by johnwelch (U2864217) on Friday, 6th January 2006
George was the ancestor of Georgia, south Russia and near Asia Minor, where Chimera battled Greeks. Georgia's flag is the red cross as in England. Old Norse gyge is "pagan priest". Thus both Georgia and Chimera from the same region appear to have "migrated"
(pick your own word) to German Saxony and ancient Cymru. -
Message 11
Posted by johnwelch (U2864217) on Friday, 6th January 2006
...more stuff. Celts had a fort named Angora in Asia Minor 1st cent BC. (-Strabo "Geography" 12.5.2) Saint Paul visited them in Galatia (the Bible book). Angora goat-wool makes camelot cloth for chimere robes of British bishops (Oxford dict. 'camlat' 'chimere').
Angora (Ankara) is north of Chimera's volcano
in Lycia, south Asia Minor. (Bryce "Lycia" Copenhagen).
British chimere<chamarre, acciamara "wool-jacket" of Sardinia, across the strait from Sicily, where Zeus flung Kelto dragon for saying her little Chimera was equal to Athena war-goddess. Chimera was a real town in Sicily in Greek times (map in: A.Johnston "Emergemce of Greece" Phaidon 1976).
The white "Horse" hill-sculpture at Uffington
has horns (too big for ears) ,beard and lion hindquarters. The rear legs are thicker than the front, and curved. From one angle it is seen to arise from Dragon Hill. Uffington <Cymric uffern? "inferno.volcano". The goat-lion chimera on St.George's chapel, Windsor has lion hindquarters. The bishop there wears camelot chimere, and the monarch wears a picture of ye dragon as Knight of Garter.
Kelto Echidna and Chimera live on.
Score: Echidna 1 Zeus 0 (half-time).
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