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Posted by boredboadiccea (U2682027) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005
No presenter of programmes relating to the boy King has ever EVER pronunciated his name, Tutankhamun, correctly. Why?? Why just tell me why no one can say his name as it should be said, Tuht Ahhnk Ahhmoon, NOT Tooten Karmoon. Dan Cruickshank, Andrew Sachs, all of them, incapable of a decent pronunciation. What is it about the English and their laziness or shyness or inhibition with regards to speaking a foreign language? The world of telly will go on and on making programmes on Tutankhamun, it's fascination with him has been relentless, but oh please a little more effort and care when speaking 'his glorious name'.
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Posted by Ankhesenamun15 (U2550768) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005
I know yeah i absolutely love Tutankhamun with a passion, i've noticed their prononciations of names!! I understand where your coming from!
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how do you know how its pronounced? I can't see how there would be a correct way of pronouncing a name from a now dead language... I cant see a problem with how its pronounced but I honestly cant see why there is a right and wrong way of pronouncing things. Everyone pronounces things in different ways due to dialects and accents, Im one of them and i disagree with you saying that there should be one way of pronouncing the name.
Spot on. We have no real idea of how the ancient Egyptians or should I say stone/copper/bronze/iron age peoples of north east Africa pronounced it. It could be Toot Ainkh Amone for all we know.
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Posted by Ankhesenamun15 (U2550768) on Wednesday, 7th December 2005
I wasn't saying they shouldn't pronounce names in a different way im just saying ive noticed how different people pronounce things differently is all. And its not exactly true that its a dead language because there are still Coptic churches which speak in a way the Ancients would have.
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Ancient Egyptians only wrote down consonants. Without knowing what the vowels were it is impossible to know the correct pronouncations - the possible variations are enourmous.
As to the the modern Copts - pronouniations change over time. Modern English sounds totally different than 14th century English.
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Posted by Sleepytutankamun (U2685051) on Wednesday, 7th December 2005
how do you know that the way that you pronounce it is the correct way
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Posted by Ankhesenamun15 (U2550768) on Wednesday, 7th December 2005
alrite alrite everyone calm down, i was just saying i understood where he was coming from, i know nobody can ever be sure how it will ever be pronounced, which is a shame really. And they only missed out vowels in hieroglyphics not in demotic and heiratic!
I suspect it is probably that the TV presenters use accepted English pronunciation. This is fairly common. For example, the French pronounce the name of their capital city "Paree", while in English it is rendered as "Paris". In English we say "Vienna" while the Austrian pronunciation is "Veen".
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Posted by Crystal Clear (U1010754) on Wednesday, 7th December 2005
alrite alrite everyone calm down, i was just saying i understood where he was coming from, i know nobody can ever be sure how it will ever be pronounced, which is a shame really. And they only missed out vowels in hieroglyphics not in demotic and heiratic!Β
you are perfectly entitled to an opinion! I was more concerned with what the person was saying in their first post and I just want them to clarify their opi nion. I cant see why a pronunciation would cause so much bother!
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Posted by boredboadiccea (U2682027) on Thursday, 8th December 2005
Ankhesenamun, thanks for this comment, just what I needed after the childish response the other night from some, I just happen to have a passion for Tut, and for languages, is that a crime? you would think so - pronunciation of ancient names/places etc certainly is known by experts all over the world, anyone who has studied Egyptology/Ancient History at University level would know this...
I know yeah i absolutely love Tutankhamun with a passion, i've noticed their prononciations of names!! I understand where your coming from!
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Posted by boredboadiccea (U2682027) on Thursday, 8th December 2005
at no point in my message did I infer that there is only one way to pronounce his name, that would indeed be ridiculous, but a good close resemblance to how the Egyptian authorities/experts say it would be a bonus
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Posted by boredboadiccea (U2682027) on Thursday, 8th December 2005
I like this explanation, it makes sense. I have watched and listened to programmes and lectures all over the world on Tut, and it's pretty much the same pronunciation everywhere, even Spain! except here.........curious really
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Posted by boredboadiccea (U2682027) on Thursday, 8th December 2005
I don't personally, just what I have heard all over the world especially in Cairo, and when I visited the museum to see the exhibition years ago now, the guide gave us all a pretty good lesson on their pronunciation skills
Wait to hear how greeks pronounced foreign names... what about Neftonas? Imagine that this is Isaak Newton, the well known scientist!
Or Arabs and Christians pronouncing muslim names such as Yozef, Iosif, Youssouf, Josef?
I think the most "destroyed" names must have been the middle eastern... like Nabuchodonosor Nebuchadnezzar or and Nebuchadrezzar while his name was sounding something like Nabu-kudurri-usur (i googled it to define the closest sound!!!).
Even your nice nick Boadiccea seems to be a wrong name since the poor queen was not named "boaditsea" but something like Boudika (like many contributors here.
mistake... josef is of course a jewish name not a muslim!!! it later became a christian and a muslim in the aforementioned variations!!!
I like this explanation, it makes sense. I have watched and listened to programmes and lectures all over the world on Tut, and it's pretty much the same pronunciation everywhere, even Spain! except here.........curious really Β
I have rather conceitedly assumed it was my explanation regarding accepted English pronunciation that you are referring to.
You must bear in mind that, for the British, our pronunciation is always correct - it is the rest of the world who are wrong. We just don't like to point it out to them too often. It allows us a smug sense of superiority when we hear foreigners use their quaint, but clearly incorrect, pronunciation.
(Tongue firmly in cheek here - no offence intended - except to my fellow smug Britishers).
Nikolaos,
It seems we are in agreement for once. Another example is the Aztec, Montezuma. So called by the Spaniards. He was, and I hope I have got this right, Motecuzoma of the Mexica.
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Posted by Crystal Clear (U1010754) on Friday, 9th December 2005
at no point in my message did I infer that there is only one way to pronounce his name, that would indeed be ridiculous, but a good close resemblance to how the Egyptian authorities/experts say it would be a bonusΒ
and thats all it would be, a close resemblance. There is still no way to be one hundred percent sure which is why I don't mind how it is pronounced, because no-one will ever know. There can never be right answers in ancient history, only very good guesses.
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