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Guderian - Hitler's Best General?
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Message 1.Β
Posted by fascinating (U1944795) on Friday, 16th December 2011
He defied Hitler on the Eastern Front in making a strategic withdrawal of his tanks, against the fuhrer's express orders, and he was thereby relieved of his command. He learned about the plot to kill Hitler but took no action to warn him (he was lucky he didn't suffer any punishment for that). He showed no fawning toward Hitler, consistently getting into blazng rows with him over strategy, until ordered to take a rest (March 1945).
Do other contributors have any views on him? -
Message 2
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Friday, 16th December 2011
fascinating,
I did many replies to you in the past, especially on WWII. But I ask you: Is it not too late to start a discussion which has to be proceeded in depth, as it could be a lengthy debate, too long for this messageboard as it closes on 22?
If you join Historum I will have a look overthere for further debate.
Kind regards and with esteem,
Paul. -
Message 3
Posted by fascinating (U1944795) on Friday, 16th December 2011
Paul, I only just noticed that the the boards are closing.
Oh No.
Best wishes to you Paul, thank you for all of your contributions over the years.
What is Historum? Do you have a link? -
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Posted by Triceratops (U3420301) on Saturday, 17th December 2011
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Message 5
Posted by Tim of Acleah (U1736633) on Saturday, 17th December 2011
I would say that Manstein was the best, it was him who stablised the Eastern Front following Stalingrad and in 1940 it was him who divised the attack through the Ardennes.
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Message 6
Posted by Arnald Amalric (U14983291) on Saturday, 17th December 2011
Yes, (and no)
Guderian is the father of tank doctrine. A theorist who also showed he had the ability put his theories into operation.
On the Allied side only possibly Hobart comes close to defining a problem and the answer in the same way.
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Message 7
Posted by fascinating (U1944795) on Sunday, 18th December 2011
Thank you Tim, I have been reading up on Manstein, he seems to have been quite brilliant. He also stood up to Hitler, even suggesting, apparently, that Hitler should be removed from overall command of the armed forces, and as a result was effectively sacked in early 1944,
I would like to know more about Guderian, who had big rows with Hitler. I wonder what was said, I have not been able to glean much information through internet searches. -
Message 8
Posted by David James Wall (U14752090) on Thursday, 22nd December 2011
Thursday 22nd December, 2011. GMT:0955
Re: 'Hans Guderian'
With respect to all concerned; 'Hans Guderian' appears to disappear from the record after the set - back suffered by the Whermarcht in front of SMOLENSK: the so called 'gate to Moscow'. Why this is is a matter of dispute. The received history notes that the Whermarcht witdrew without formal permission granted by OKW KOMMAND / vos Strasser. To all intents and purposes; Hans Guderian was on his own from that day forward. Technically most men and women would have treated him 'like the plague' and stood well back. Infact most people thought he returned to OKW KOMMAND and sat out the rest of the war in Berlin. The weird detail is that a number of frontline officers and men who survived SMOLENSK actually thought he had died at SMOLENSK; to all intents and purposes the site of the former battery of Borodino during the 1812 Napoleonic War. Someone thought he had gone 'head to head' with 300 SOVIET KVI / MBT (Main Battle Tank) such as those designed and built in SMOLENSK from 1934 - 1937 and lost so heavily he actually committed suicide...
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