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Message 1.Β
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Sunday, 25th September 2011
History of the SAS?
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Message 2
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Whilst this is now doubt valueable information there is already material on the SAS available and given that the price of the book is way beyond most people's pockets at Β£975 it may not be available to everyone who wants to see it.
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Message 3
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
There was a lot of information revealed about the early days of the SAS included in Fitzroy Maclean's memoirs 'Eastern Approaches' published in 1949.
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Message 4
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
What puzzles me is why the volume was put into chronological order, why not leave it as it was?.
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Message 5
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Wednesday, 28th September 2011
Paul, the British SAS was only officially disbanded after WWII.
Former SAS major, Peter Mason, has an autobiographical book out (expensive- and banned in the UK! Hmmm) whereby he says that none other than Churchill himself (in 1944) tasked him and others to hunt down and kill the middle-ranking nazis that were feared to escape justice.
Many SAS men, including German jews or communists etc were recruited, from 1944-6/7, to hunt these fleeing justice, in Europe and execute them.
Whilst most official videos and books always said that the SAS "were disbanded" after WWII, Sir Peter Billiere, former commander of 22 SAS, introduced an SAS history video (made in the late 90's?) in which he even stated that the Regiment hunted nazis at the end of the war!!
Mason, seeing as many captured SAS men operating in N.Europe were executed in cold blood by the Waffen SS, says he is still proud of his work. -
Message 6
Posted by MB (U177470) on Friday, 30th September 2011
The history sounds very interesting and there must be a lot of new information but some of the stories in the press have been well known for years.
Vera Atkins worked after WWII on tracking down what happened to SOE agents and her book many years ago said that she got help from SAS soldiers who were doing the same to find out what had happened to SAS people captured by the Germans but I think they were working as nominally part of other units. From what I have read in the past the object was to arrest them rather than operate as a death squad though some would be killed whilst they were trying to apprehend them.
The regiment reformed as a TA unit in 1947. -
Message 7
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Saturday, 1st October 2011
Hereword,
thank you very much for the reply and the enlightenment.
Kind regards and with esteem,
Paul.
PS. As a matter of interest...put "hereword" in a search robot...it immediately redirected me to "hereward"...no "hereword" at all...did the same with "cameron" some days ago in a reply to Cass...and that same robot immediately redirected me to "cameron diaz"...but there there was at the end a certain PM Cameron...impertinent question...has it something to do that you have to deform your nom de plume "hereward" as it is already taken several thousands times....? -
Message 8
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Sunday, 2nd October 2011
Hi Paul, I corrupted the name of the famous Anglo-Danish rebel from the 1070's into one with 'words'!
Someone mentioned Vera Atkins, who was a Romanian-born jew, and only her immediate boss, the Chief of F ('France') Section of SOE, Maurice Buckmaster, knew this.
Under these two, dozens of agents and saboteurs fell (or were dropped directly) into German Abwehr hands, were tortured and executed/killed in concentratiuon camps.
Even though captured allied SOE agents omitted the pre-arranged security checks from codes sent to HQ, the pair inexplicably ignored these successive warnings of capture, and sent more men and women to their doom.
It has been alledged that she was being blackmailed by the nazis, who threatened to kill her relatives, still then in Romania? -
Message 9
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Monday, 3rd October 2011
Vera Atkins's (her name was actually Vera Rosenberg, her mother's name was Atkins) SOE file is interesting in that it shows she was Romanian and that SOE knew that and that her movements in the UK were restricted until at least 1943. Unfortunately the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Office may still have her British Nationality file, the letter R has not yet been transferred to The National Archives. It was not just the French Section but also the Dutch Section of SOE who failed to take action on the agents telling SOE that they had been captured and turned but why did no one take action whch would have saved many lives?.
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Message 10
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Tuesday, 4th October 2011
SOE's Holland 'M' section was even more disastrous (and suspicious?) than the F section!
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Message 11
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Tuesday, 4th October 2011
Agreed, even the first line of the history makes that very clear.
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