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  Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 26th August 2011

  I am transcribing a Bradford employer's Roll of Honour from the Great War. I should like to provide a few explanatory notes but I am puzzled by several items.
  
  Some of the employees are said to have been awarded a 'Mons Ribbon'; how does this differ from the Mons Star? One employee has the initials 'M.T.S' placed in a column after his name; what could this mean? One was awarded the 'Territorial Eff. Medal'; what was this?
  
  Were: driver, drummer, bugler, artificer and pioneer actual ranks, or simply descriptive terms?
  
  Thanks.
  
  TP

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  Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 26th August 2011

  Take a look at re Territorial medal.
  
  Mons Ribbon - suspect this is a synonym for the "Mons Star" - watch out though because it was awarded also for service up to Wipers 1.
  
  Drivers etc - yes they are ranks - all those you cite are, I understand, actually equivalent to "Private"
  
  M T S - still looking!

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  Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 26th August 2011

  Many thanks; I know you'd have the answers.
  
  TP

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  Posted by CDozer (U14970196) on Sunday, 28th August 2011

  The MONS Star and ribbon are the same decoration.
  
  From what I have found MTS is a post nominal for a Master of Studies degree.

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  Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Sunday, 28th August 2011

  If this is a "Roll of Honour" of those employees who died whilst serving in WWI, you might get a lead from the Commonwealth War Graves site.

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  Posted by Triceratops (U3420301) on Sunday, 28th August 2011

  A note of caution TP, the medal ribbon for the Mons Star is identical to the medal ribbon for the 1914-15 Star. The only way to be certain is to check the medal index cards at the National Archives or at Ancestry.The CWGC site will give the battalion number, eg if it's the 7th Battalion KOYLI, they did not arrive in France until 1915 and it will be a 14/15 Star.
  
  MTS..........possibly Motor (or Mechanised) Transport Section,if the individual concerned was with the Army Service Corps,then it might be.
  
  Any of them on here?;
  
  
  16th and 18th Battalions of the West Yorks were the two Bradford Pals battalions

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  Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Sunday, 28th August 2011

  Many thanks to you both for your interest..
  
  My main concern to make a really accurate transcription of a printed document so that a computer file can be made available to anyone interested. I think that it would also be worthwhile checking on the accuracy of a sample of entries.
  
  The employer concerned (Lister & Co) had large mills in the Bradford area, and also Nuneaton. They also had depots in Scotland, Manchester and London. I imagine that men would have ended up in a considerable number of units although Bradford recruits are most likely to have joined the 16th & 18th battalions of the POW Own West Yorkshire Regiment.
  
  Some of the men are recorded as having the Mons Star and others the 1914-15 star. Motor Transport Section sound very believable. Bradford then had a car maker (Jowett) which had been founded in 1906.
  
  Best wishes,
  
  TP

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  Posted by Triceratops (U3420301) on Monday, 29th August 2011

  This might be of help TP, especially the appendices which have lists of the Bradford Pals killed and the first 1000 volunteers.
  
  

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  Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Monday, 29th August 2011

  Thanks Triceratops; I have a copy of the book but I didn't appreciate it was available on line, which makes it much easier to search for individual names. As you will know the two Bradford Pals battalions suffered very severe casualties on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.
  
  With thanks
  
  TP

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