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  Posted by colour_pink (U1808093) on Sunday, 14th August 2005

  Anyone here read mein kampf...I'm very intrested in Hitler (I'm not a psychopath!) I find him very evil but at the same time very intriguing.
  
  I'm planning on buying it soon and I wondered if any of you had read it and could voice me some opinions.
  
  Also 'the cipher of genesis' by carlo suares? Apparentley that's supposed to be good too.
  
  I've watched the hitler programmes that have been screened and they have been very intresting viewing.

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  Posted by Bishwarrior (U1759943) on Sunday, 14th August 2005

  I have read it twice, and it is the hardest book i have ever read. I can normally manage a book that think in 2 or 3 weeks. But it took me 11 months the first time. The second time i read it in two halves. I read the first book, then left it for 6 months befopre reading the second book.
  
  Reading it is like reading a book when you are tired. You might read a paragraph but then realise you are not sure what it meant so read it again. I had to do this with the whole book.
  
  While soem parts are quite sensible and he says stuff you can understand and maybe even agree with in parts. But then he suddenly goes into a tirad against the Jews, communists and anyone else he hates.
  
  I read it because i have an interest in Germanys armed forces and felt it only right to get some understanding of the man behind it.
  
  My advice would be, be patient and take your time.

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  Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 14th August 2005

  I've read it, at least once, and I am also not currently detained at a mental institute. (Although I'm sure there are those who say I should be )
  
  It's not the worlds best read, although with the benefit of hindsight, it does present a certain insight into Adolf Hitlers mind. Later historians have quoted bits of the book to prove that there were enough clues there for the Allies to realise that he was well, possibly a maniac, however with "spin" you can also say that he had the right ideas, but was after the wrong targets?

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  Posted by nsorchard (U1803526) on Monday, 15th August 2005

  I attempted to read it once, but gave up. It's rambling and incoherent and obviously the work of a madman.

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  Posted by SmegheadRed (U1879559) on Wednesday, 17th August 2005

  mein Kampf is a turgid, rambling and inconsistent piece of nonsense. Although it does help in some ways to understand the personality of Hitler, he contradicts himself so often in the book and in practice when he was in power, it is difficult to say just how useful it is. And it takes MONTHS to wade through. Good Luck!

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  Posted by Ted (U1880626) on Wednesday, 17th August 2005

  I haven't read it, but I can imagine it being a difficult read.
  
  As an aside- I wonder if Mein Kampf was actually as widely read in Nazi Germany as the numbers of copies distributed might suggest. I remember hearing that the government gave copies out pretty widely, for example as a wedding gift to every couple getting married.
  
  Were 'good Nazis' expected to be able to quote passages by heart in the same way that Christians or Muslims might be expected to quote passages of their sacred texts?

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  Posted by Bishwarrior (U1759943) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

  Ted, you are correct in that Mein kampf was given as a wedding present. But i doubt that all of those given or who bought a copy would have acctually read it. My guess is it was probably only read by hardened Nazis. I would think that haveing a copy on your bookshelf would be like haveing a picture of the Fuhrer on your wall. It was just a means of showing loyalty to the leadership in a state where the mearist hint of opposition could be deadly.

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  Posted by Hasse (U1882612) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

  Its just a little bit easier to read then Das Kapital by Karl Marx.
  
  I do find it a bit strange that two ridicoulous books,filled with poopycock,was the textbooks to two of the most evil movements the world have known.
  
  Putting their stamp on the major part on last cent,causing probably more than 100 milion deaths
  
  Hasse

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

  Hasse,
  
  that's definitely you. So I know you. At your best.
  
  Leef wel,
  
  Paul.

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

  PS. reply to message 8 and 9.

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  Posted by Hasse (U1882612) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

  Yes my dear old friend back from a long wonderfull holliday,have been missing the board you and the rest of the lot.
  
  Have a nice time in N England,Newcastle is dangerous with their big shopping centre,the last time we was there did my wife place me in a pub,and romped away on a shopping spree,coming back now and then laying parcels at my place,well I did get me some pints a couple of nice Tweed jackets and hats and a hefty bill on my wifes American Express card.<>
  
  Lev vΓ€l

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Thursday, 18th August 2005

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  Hasse,
  
  thanks for the reply, see you after Newcastle.
  
  Warm regards to you and your wife.
  
  Paul.
  
  PS. And with the eyes?

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  Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Friday, 19th August 2005

  I admit that I've not read either book but I don't think this is a valid comparison. Marx's ideas have had a huge (and mostly beneficial) influence on our understanding of history and society. Even people who are anti-marxist use marxist-based ideas without knowing it. Marx was of course written off by a lot of people after the fall of the Berlin Wall (remember "the end of history"?) but the need to understand the impact of globalisation is giving his ideas a new lease of life.
  
  I don't think any such claims could be made for Hitler's ideas, however interesting they may be as a clue to his psychology and/or the origins of fascism
  
  

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  Posted by steveP (U1775134) on Sunday, 21st August 2005

  Gaiseric
  
  I'm no fan of Marxism but I think I would have to agree with you. While much evil has resulted from his works and many millions have been killed I think we can say that was never Marx's intent. Possibly blinkered and definitely short sighted he was trying to respond to the terrible conditions that the bulk of the people he knew lived in at the time and which probably seemed to be getting worse. I think we can safely say Hitler had every intention of killing millions, just he was, luckily for us all, wrong in exactly who ended up dead as a result of his actions.
  
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  Posted by Lyceum2 (U1941441) on Sunday, 28th August 2005

  colour pink wrote:
  
  β€œI find him very evil”
  
  Firstly, to be evil is fictional. People just have different morality.
  
  Smegheadred wrote:
  
  β€œhe contradicts himself so often”
  
  Any quotes?
  
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  Hitler may have been fanatical to the extreme, although he was not mad. His scientific theory may have been off balance but this must be take in the context of scientific knowlege of the period. Also, to many things are now associated with Nation Socialism (and any other right-wing movement) from Nazi Germany. I guess this to be expected, however, nowhere did Hitler mention a police state, genocide or war crimes in his Notional Socialism philosophy, these I believe were creations of the circumstances and personalities (and yes, I include Hitler among these) of the Nazi regime.

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  Posted by Martin Raynes (U1656364) on Tuesday, 30th August 2005

  Anyone here read mein kampf...I'm very intrested in Hitler (I'm not a psychopath!) I find him very evil but at the same time very intriguing.
  
  I'm planning on buying it soon and I wondered if any of you had read it and could voice me some opinions.
  
  Also 'the cipher of genesis' by carlo suares? Apparentley that's supposed to be good too.
  
  I've watched the hitler programmes that have been screened and they have been very intresting viewing. Β 
  
  I have tried to read it in the original German and in a recent (i.e. post war translation). on both occasions I have failed. This is not because of Hitler's extreme and hate filled ideas but because he is a shockingly turgid writer. One often simply cannot make any coherent sense out of what he is writing.

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