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Wot, No Agincourt?
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by LongWeekend (U3023428) on Monday, 25th October 2010
Apparently, it's the anniversary of Agincourt today.
"I was not angry since I came to France/Until this instant."
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Message 2
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Monday, 25th October 2010
well we all know the result of the battle was not down to the English. The French transport Unions were on strike so the rest of the army couldn't get there as they were trying to force them back to work. The Prostitutes had withdrawn their services in support, and had staged a none laying down strike. The peasants were revolting. But again this was due to the transport strike meaning they could not get any soap. Of course the french then accused the English of not leveling the playing field and thus cheating. The french of course wanted to fight on a sunday, but their knights wanted Double time and when this was refused, most of them voted to join the strike.
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Message 3
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Tuesday, 26th October 2010
Fred, peasants have always been revolting!
try going down the market of most british cities on a busy morning!
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Message 4
Posted by Eliza (U14650257) on Tuesday, 26th October 2010
In this PC era I suspect we are actually rather shamefaced about Agincourt, as we were, after all, invading France, and therefore the aggressors, not the gallant defenders of our country!
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Message 5
Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Tuesday, 26th October 2010
Hi,
In this PC era I suspect we are actually rather shamefaced about Agincourt
I do not think so !!!!!
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Message 6
Posted by Harpo (U14643022) on Tuesday, 26th October 2010
we were, after all, invading France Ìý We! That's very democratic of you, Eliza. I think the representative of one dynasty was invading the territory of another. Agincourt hardly benefitted the common people who were taxed to the hilt and generally repressed by their aristocratic overlords.
No, Agincourt was part of a dynastic squabble between the Valois and Plantagenets that lasted over a century. It had little to do with the greater 'we' and more to do with the royal 'we'. I don't think Wat Tyler's Peasant Revolt of 30 years earlier sits well with Henry V's speech on St Crispen's Day and many a peasant would have scoffed at Henry's words: 'By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, / Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost.' Easy to say when he was not paying! -
Message 7
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Wednesday, 27th October 2010
Agincourt hardly benefitted the common people who were taxed to the hilt and generally repressed by their aristocratic overlords.Ìý
Common people who went to fight could come back very rich indeed (certainly by medieval commoner standards).
Desmond Seward in his "Brief History of the Hu.
ndred Years War" states: "the Hundred Years War bankrupted the English government...though England herselfmay well have been richer from a century of 'spoils of war'" -
Message 8
Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Wednesday, 27th October 2010
Agincourt hardly benefitted the common peopleÌý
Possibly. On the other hand, we did get to kill a lot of Frenchies. -
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Posted by Stoggler (U14387762) on Wednesday, 27th October 2010
In this PC era I suspect we are actually rather shamefaced about Agincourt, as we were, after all, invading France, and therefore the aggressors, not the gallant defenders of our country!Ìý
That's never the impression I've ever got. In fact, most people I work with (as a straw sample) as well as all my friends are aware of the battle (probably thanks to Mr Shakespeare). Plus, we seemed to get some delight out of reminding the French lad in our office of the battle...
To be fair, he did know his history and quickly countered with the Battles of Formigny and Castillon, which most people in the office had never heard of!
The thing with Agincourt and other such battles is that they are so long ago that there is no national grief, or even personal grief or personal memory any more. It also happened in a very different politic and social environment to the one we're in now (as others have pointed out, it was one battle from a series of dynastic clashes) - it's hardly a battle worthy of getting shamefaced about, and anyone does is perhaps a little oversensitive! -
Message 10
Posted by stalti (U14278018) on Wednesday, 27th October 2010
what is the funniest thing if you visit the battlefield and museum - is the guest book - have a look
every entry is by a british address lol
its like the battlefield doesnt exist for the french lol- and who could blame them
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Message 11
Posted by White Camry (U2321601) on Thursday, 28th October 2010
stalti,
what is the funniest thing if you visit the battlefield and museum - is the guest book - have a look
every entry is by a british address lol
its like the battlefield doesnt exist for the french lol- and who could blame them Ìý
Did you sign the guestbooks at Formigny and Castillon? Or do they not exist for you?
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Message 12
Posted by stalti (U14278018) on Thursday, 28th October 2010
hi whitecamry
precisely - that is my point !!
i had never even heard of them until reading about the hundred years war- bet the guestbooks are full of french and empty of english entries lol
we all know about agincourt and the sheer power of the english longbow etc etc - but we LOST the war - do u think the french celebrate Formigny and Castillon as we do agincourt ??
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Message 13
Posted by White Camry (U2321601) on Friday, 29th October 2010
stalti,
precisely - that is my point !!
i had never even heard of them until reading about the hundred years war- bet the guestbooks are full of french and empty of english entriesÌý
But did you sign the books there?
do u think the french celebrate Formigny and Castillon as we do agincourt ??Ìý
Not nearly as much as they celebrate the Joan of Arc story, I imagine. No Orleans, no Castillon. -
Message 14
Posted by Stoggler (U14387762) on Friday, 29th October 2010
do u think the french celebrate Formigny and Castillon as we do agincourt ??
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There's a large room in Versailles (called la Galerie des Batailles) with murals all along the walls of famous French military victories, including a couple against the English I'd never heard of before. One of them was however Castillon. -
Message 15
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Friday, 29th October 2010
I think this is correct-
Battle of Cadsand was fought in 1337
Battle of Sluys was fought on 24 June 1340
Battle of Morlaix was fought in 1342
Battle of Auberoche was fought in 1345
Battle of Blanchetaque was fought in 1346
Battle of Saint-Pol-de-Léon in 1346
Siege of Calais – Sept 1346 - Aug 1347
Battle of Crécy took place on 26 August 1346
[Battle of Neville's Cross nr Durham October 17, 1346]
Battle of La Roche-Derrien was fought in 1347
Battle (naval) of Crotoy- on 25th june
Battle of Lunalonge was fought in 1349
Battle (naval) at Winchelsea (Les espagnols sur Mer)- 1350
Battle of Ardres was fought in 1351
Battle of Saintes 1351
Battle of Mauron was fought in 1352
[Battle of Nesbit Moor – north of the Tweed 1355]
Battle of Poitiers – Sept 19th 1356
Battle of Mello 10 June 1358
Battle of Auray September 29, 1364
Battle of Navarrete (Nájera) on 3 April 1367
Battle of Montiel was fought in 1369
Battle of La Rochelle. Fierce naval battle 1372
Battle of Chiset in 1373
Battle (naval) of Margate March 1387
[Battle of Radcot Ridge- Oxfordshire 19 December 1387]
Chateauneuf-de-Randon Siege by French, fell July 1380
[Battle of Nesbit Moor- north of the Tweed June 1402]
[Battle at Homildon Hill – August 1402]
Siege of Harfleur, from 18 Aug to 22 Sept 1415
Battle of Agincourt 25 October 1415
Siege of Rouen July 1418 - Jan 1419
Battle of Baugé, between English & Franco-Scots March 21, 1421
Battle of Meaux (siege) 1422
Battle of Cravant on July 31, 1423
Battle of Verneuil on 17 August 1424
Battle of St. James March 6, 1426
Siege of Orléans Oct 1428 – May 1429
Battle of Rouvray Feb 12th
Battle of the Herrings April 1429
Battle of Meung-sur-Loire on 15 June 1429
Battle of Beaugency on 16 - 17 June, 1429
Battle of Patay 18 June 1429
Siege of Compiègne May 1430
Battle of Gerbevoy in 1435
Battle of Formigny April 15, 1450
Battle of Castillon in 1453 -
Message 16
Posted by stalti (U14278018) on Saturday, 30th October 2010
hi whitecamry
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stalti,
precisely - that is my point !!
i had never even heard of them until reading about the hundred years war- bet the guestbooks are full of french and empty of english entries
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But did you sign the books there?
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Message 17
Posted by stalti (U14278018) on Saturday, 30th October 2010
oops not sure what happened there
white camry - watch my lips here - i had never even heard of the battles you mention - i have never been there so havent signed the guestbook
agincourt was a superb visit - the whole village has flags flying and people who want to help you - english bias maybe but a superb experience
we probably wouldnt do the same
st
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