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are there any files on WW2 still classified?

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  Posted by Elkstone (U3836042) on Monday, 18th October 2010

  on the history channel,WW2 is shown non stop. is there anything historians would still like to know about it, both wars but the relevant files are underwraps?

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  Posted by suvorovetz (U12273591) on Monday, 18th October 2010

  WW2 is shown non stop. is there anything historians would still like to know about it, both wars but the relevant files are underwraps?Β  "Now my good friend historian Mark Solonin addressed [Russian] Foreign Ministry by saying, 'Citizens, look, in 1938, 70 years ago, Western countries gave away Czechoslovakia to Hitler. This was not good. There was only one country, the USSR that is, that wanted to defend Czechoslovakia. It was all very right. Let me in on these documents. Let me read these documents a little.' And the Foreign Ministry [told him to bugger off]. They said that Czechoslovakia is no more, the Soviet Union is no more; 70 years have passed since the Soviet Union was fighting for peace, helping Czechoslovakia and trying to prevent the Second World War. However, these documents are secret and won't be shown to anybody! And very recently, a conference about declassifying documents has been held in the FSB cultural center... [The presenters] said that the documents containing state and personal secrets will be sealed for centuries. So, I am asking, what kinds of secrets are needed to be guarded for centuries with all the state might? Suppose, Lenin suffered from syphilis. Why do we need to guard this secret for 100 years? Why do we need to guard this secret for 200 or 300 years? Some say that he never suffered from syphilis in the first place. So, I say, there is no secret then. Why guard it at all?" (Viktor Suvorov, Interview to Radio Free Europe, May 21, 2009).

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  Posted by U3280211 (U3280211) ** on Sunday, 24th October 2010

  So, I say, there is no secret then. Why guard it at all?" (Viktor Suvorov, Interview to Radio Free Europe, May 21, 2009).Β 
  A brief check of google and wiki shows that there is no such broadcaster as "Viktor Suvorov".
  Is the person you cite possibly using a pseudonym?
  
  If so, could you possibly confirm the real name of the interviewee you mention?

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  Posted by Mutatis_Mutandis (U8620894) on Monday, 25th October 2010

  The gaps in our knowledge of WWII are by no means limited to information that is hidden in secret or was put down in lost documents. New insights still emerge from historians who work on the vast amount of available material: Due to the sheer volume of documentation produced in the war, and in some cases the barriers of language, the process is much slower than you might think. And the results filter only very slowly to outlets such as the History Channel.
  
  And it is not about the details. For example, for decades our view of the German war economy was defined by the (rather self-serving) account of Speer and by the post-war Stratehic Bombing Survey. In general these painted the picture of a war effort that was handicapped by an inefficient mobilization of manpower, until the ruthless genius of Speer came along. It's only fairly recently that historians have understood that this view is flawed because in many ways the German economy was resource-constrained rather than manpower-constrained. It hit the limits of its expansion already in 1938, encountered another crisis in the summer of 1943 due to the British bombing of the Ruhr, and descended into chaos in late 1944.
  
  Or to give another example, for a very long time the mental image of the Battle of Midway included a very dramatic scene in which the Japanese strike wings were ranged on the decks of their carriers, ready for take-off with engines warming up, when the bombs of US dive bombers fell among them. This was due to a very misleading account by Mitsuo Fuchida (at least Japanese historians were aware that it was flawed) and a poor understanding of how the Japanese Navy operated its carriers. We now know that it didn't happen that way; the Japanese aircraft were still below deck when their carries were struck (which made things rather worse for them).
  
  But there are some files still under wraps. In recent years the Russian government has actually re-classified a number of documents relating to WWII, including documents that have been published before. It is not clear whether this is mere bureaucratic reflex, or an intentional effort to mute criticism of Stalin's authoritarian regime (which could be expanded on to become criticism of all authoritarian regimes).
  

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  Posted by VF (U5759986) on Monday, 25th October 2010

  I believe that some of the details of the loss of HMS Glorious are still classified to this day.

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  Posted by suvorovetz (U12273591) on Monday, 25th October 2010

  A brief check of google and wiki shows that there is no such broadcaster as "Viktor Suvorov".Β 
  A brief check of reality shows that there isn’t such thing as a β€œChristian atheist.” There are, however Jew hating Marxists posting stuff like this, for example:
  The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God. (Karl Marx)Β  Is hardly incompatible with:-
  "Permit me to control the currency of a nation and I care not who makes it's laws!" From Baron de RothschildΒ 
  
  
  

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  Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Monday, 25th October 2010

  A brief check of google and wiki shows that there is no such broadcaster as "Viktor Suvorov".Β 
  
  A brief check of Amazon shows there is a writer of that name who has written a number of books on the Soviet Union.
  
  
  

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  Posted by stuart (U1648283) on Thursday, 28th October 2010

  There are, however Jew hating Marxists posting stuff like this, for example: Β 
  
  Hi suv,
  
  You keep coming back to this. For a materialist examination of Jews through history, try this. Contextualisation and all that..
  
  

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  Posted by U3280211 (U3280211) ** on Monday, 1st November 2010

  (Viktor Suvorov, Interview to Radio Free Europe, May 21, 2009).Β 
  Is that the CIA funded station which changed its name to "Radio Liberty", took direct congressional funding when it was rumbled, then stopped broadcasting to most of Europe when its costs rocketed as its audience figures declined?
  
  And who is this Mr "Suvorov"? What is his real name and background?
  Was anyone listening to his address?
  In which language did he broadcast?

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  Posted by U3280211 (U3280211) ** on Monday, 1st November 2010

  To Idamante (7)
  Re "Suvorov"
  A brief check of Amazon shows there is a writer of that name who has written a number of books on the Soviet Union.Β 
  
  I'm fully aware of the writer who uses that nom de plume.
  
  My question is why would a proper academic historian and writer need to use a false name?
  
  See if you can uncover the real "Suvorov"... There have been many notable Russian 'Suvorovs'.
  
  Try wiki....
  
  

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  Posted by U3280211 (U3280211) ** on Monday, 1st November 2010

  There are, however Jew hating Marxists posting stuff like this, for example:
  
  The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God. (Karl Marx)
  Is hardly incompatible with:-
  "Permit me to control the currency of a nation and I care not who makes it's laws!" From Baron de Rothschild
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  Why do you deem it 'Jew-hating', to quote a member of the Rothschild banking family?
  
  Baron de Rothschild, in the quote I provided, has some direct relevance to the quote you provided. A quote you attribute to Marx.
  My quote comes from wiki. What is the source of yours?
  
  If there is an antisemite on this thread then it is probably you.
  
  Your 'Glenn Beck' version of blinkered "Zionism" is all the rage in the US (and will do well tomorrow, no doubt) but while it is certainly 'pro-Israel', don't think that it is remotely pro-Jewish.
  
  You never said what faith you hold.
  Why so coy?
  
  
  
  
  

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