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where did the injured go?

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  Posted by twendy (U14639491) on Thursday, 7th October 2010

  this is my first time on here so bear with me if i,m on the wrong message board.
  anyway
  i,m trying to find out where my injured grandfather would have been sent after being injured on the fount line.
  he was in the Liverpool Kings 7th regiment
  and on his papers
  says he enlisted 24/1/1916 and discharged 23/11/1917
  on rhe side reason...the letters
  W (i think is wounded)
  2 B1 ( no idea what this is)
  A.O. 265/17 a.o.==?
  (maybe hurt on 26.5.17)
  my dad says he had a head wound and i,d like to find out more.
  any help to find out where of detail of injuries?
  thanks in advance
  wendy
  (grand daughter of James H Peter)

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  Posted by LairigGhru (U14051689) on Thursday, 7th October 2010

  This may be helpful:
  
  
  
  Also you will probably find Ann Clayton's book 'Chavasse - Double VC' of general relevance.

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  Posted by twendy (U14639491) on Thursday, 7th October 2010

  Thanks for that LairigGhru
  i,ll give it a try
  
  
  wendy

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  Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Friday, 8th October 2010

  With reference to :
  
  W (i think is wounded)
  2 B1 ( no idea what this is)
  A.O. 265/17
  
  A quick Google found this, oddly, from another site about an enquiry similar to yours :
  
  "Army Order 265 of September 1917 pertains to the issue of the Silver War Badge. Paragraph 2 refers to classes of individual entitled to the badge and b(1) specifically to those "who, having served as soldiers and being still of military age have been discharged after service overseas in the armed forces of the Crown, on account of disablement or ill-health caused otherwise than by misconduct."
  
  
  
  So, essentially, it is a record of honourable discharge through some kind of ill health
  
  
  
  Another site indicated the 'W' stands for 'Wounded', but it was not entirely sure.

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  Posted by Amphion (U3338999) on Sunday, 10th October 2010

  Question: Is there a date on your Grandfathers papers saying when they were issued?
  
  I believe that the 2B1 was a medical classification. During the time of conscription it was the duty of each local recruitment tribunal to send a potential serviceman to be medically examined before they could determine what to do with him. On examination each potential serviceman was given a catagory number which determined what area of service that person would be required to undertake. For example, A1 would qualify the person for Foreign Service as A1 denoted somebody in good health. Lower down the scale, say C1, may indicate that the person had health issues that would prevent him being sent abroad, yet he would still be required to perform perhaps munitions work.
  As the war went on, especially towards the end of 1917 beginning of 1918, following the collapse of the Russian Empire and the threat the Germans posed to the Western Front the Government passed a new service bill, which increased the age of those who were required to serve from 42 to 49. At the same time, the catagories of wounded soldiers was also adapted to such an extent that some of those who had already seen foreign service and been wounded,were again required to take their place in the fighting line much to the anger of many.
  This somewhat complicated the catagorising of potential soldiers, and, of course, many, like your grandfather, may have had to be re-examined.
  
  All those who had seen action were allowed to wear a Silver Badge and a stripe on their sleeve to denote each time they had been wounded although many ex-servicemen hated wearing the badges.
  
  Are you sure that your Grandfathers regiment was the 7th, or 1/7th?
  The 1/7th King's Liverpool Regiment was formed in Liverpool in August 1914, (One of the first 'Pals' regiments, them being the first line of the 7th Regiment. As the terrible war progressed and more and more men were poured into the cauldron, and more wounded or killed, they had to form newer Regiments of the seventh. These regiments would be called either 2/7th., or 3/7th, as far as the K.L.R. was concerned. Is it possible that your Grandfather was in the 3/7th King's Liverpool Regiment which were formed in Liverpool in May 1915. They became part of the 7th Reserve battalion.
  On the other hand, the original 1st/7th King's Liverpool Regiment, had, by the time your grandfather joined, become part of the 165th Brigade, 55th West Lancashire Division, which would put your grandfather in the region of Arras when he was wounded. The 55th W.L. Division would achieve great 'military' distinction in March-April 1918, during the German 'Kaiser' offensive.
  
  The Commonwealth War Graves Commission and your local library may be a good place to start. For example, if you can find the names of any of the men from the King's Liverpool Regiment (Liverpool Cenotaph would be a good place to satrt) who were killed in action around the time your grandfather was wounded, this will give you a starting point as to where to go next. I know this may sound like a strange place to find the living, but it is a fact that it is easier to place a regiment because of those who were killed than it is to place anybody who may have been in the service at the time of such and such a battle and lived to tell the tale. (or not, as the case may be.) Hope I haven't been to complicating, but it requires quite an in-depth search to sometimes uncover ceratin facts about events that happened almost a century ago.! Good Luck.
  
  

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  Posted by Pete- Weatherman (U14670985) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

  I beleve that 2B1 is a Med classifacation, Wile I was in the Army in the 70s I ended up in Hospital for some time and was given the Med Ref P7, and I know there are lots of Med Refs. They start at A1 your fit to fight, and go on from there.

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  Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

  Strangely both my and my wifes grandfathers served in the 7th battalion Kings Liverpool (Their colours hang in the Foyer of Bootle town hall) Margarets Grandfather was wounded and sent up to Ayrshire. If you are ever up on Merseyside and it's a week day, take a ride up the line and look at the flags.
  
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  Posted by crusader2 (U14330993) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

  Private James Humphrey Peter of 7th Liverpool Regiment.
  His service records have a note:
  Dangerously ill
  Gun shot wound - Head 29 June 1917 [that would be date of injury]
  7 General Hospital, St. Omer [Malassises Hospital]/may not be visited.
  Enlisted aged 19 years 1 month, civilian occupation Labourer,
  
  Military History:
  Army Reserves 10 Nov 1915 – 24 Jan 1916
  Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Duty in England 24 Jan 1916-15 Feb 1917
  British Expeditionary Force 16 Feb 1917-13 Aug 1917
  Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ 14 Aug 1917 to 23 Nov 1917 [So he was evacuated home 6 weeks after the injury presumably to a convalescent hospital]
  Wounded 29 Jun 1917
  
  Ministry of Pensions, Royal Hospital Chelsea Letter dated 16 Nov 1917
  Private James Humphrey Peter
  No. 257532
  7th Kings Liverpool
  Discharged: 23 Nov 1917
  Pension 27/6 for 4 weeks the 22 shillings to be reviewed in 48 weeks time.
  Gun shot wound to the Skull.
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by Amphion (U3338999) on Wednesday, 3rd November 2010

  St. Omer is a town approximatley 50 miles south west of Calais and 40 miles north-west of Lille, which would put it well behind the lines of battle at the time of the Great War. Of course, the General Hospital there would have been used for those wounded but strong enough to be shipped home (a blighty wound), it being in such close proximaty to Calais.

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  Posted by MB (U177470) on Wednesday, 3rd November 2010

  You can find people from the same regiment and / or died around the date of the injury by searching on the website. There is a small charge but the search is much more flexible than on the main CWGC website. You can search by regiment and a range of dates.
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by Pete- Weatherman (U14670985) on Sunday, 7th November 2010

  In this week Timewatch they had a bit about were the injuerd ended up, If you watch it. I hope you have a strong stomach. there is a graffic set of photos shown.

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