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No Collusion
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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by NoNameNoFace (U1652129) on Tuesday, 14th September 2010
Does anyone actually believe it was negligence from the prison gaurds that resulted in the death of Loyalist killer Billy Wright?
Clearly it was collusion, but would you not agree they are justified as Wright was a killing machine and was scuppering Irelands chance of peace? Even in jail he was commanding his killer gang to sluaghter catholics.
With Wright eliminated by the INLA the peace process could grown.
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Message 2
Posted by U2133447 (U2133447) on Tuesday, 14th September 2010
What are your thoughts?
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Conspiracies exist for people who cannot accept rality.
In this instance you cannot accept the reality of no collusion so you have fallen back on the conspiracy that says there was collusion.... -
Message 3
Posted by NoNameNoFace (U1652129) on Tuesday, 14th September 2010
I can accept the reality of the INLA somehow managing to smuggle in guns so easily and pre cut a hole in the fence to get to Wright.
John Kenneway describes how easy it was:
'When we cut out of wing and got on to the roof we were actually depending on the screws to be around, to see us. We wanted them to be there to sound the alarm, which leads to the automatic lock-down of the gates. We got into the courtyard and Wright's van was stuck there because the gates were automatically locked. If there had been no alarm the truth is that Wright might have got away and survived. The joke is that the screws thought we were trying to escape, that's why they shut the gates. Had they not have seen us the gate would have been open and the van could have driven away when we pulled out the guns."
Am I still conspiring? -
Message 4
Posted by Herewordless (U14549396) on Tuesday, 14th September 2010
That was a rather blunt and ignorant psychologically-based reply, NEJuan?
Regardless of whether we like it or not, nobody can prove the 'conspiracy' stories, or facts, either way? -
Message 5
Posted by U2133447 (U2133447) on Tuesday, 14th September 2010
by Man_Upstairs
That was a rather blunt and ignorant psychologically-based reply, NEJuan?
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Blunt yes, ignorant no. There are whole theses written on people's need to believe in conspiracies!
Regardless of whether we like it or not, nobody can prove the 'conspiracy' stories, or facts, either way?
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But even if you can prove the conspiracy is wrong the conspiracy theorist will say that is part of the cover up
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Message 6
Posted by hotmousemat (U2388917) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
Always read the small print. They have avoided 'collusion' by adopting the sort of narrow definition that would apply in a crime.
If I turn my back and let you kill somebody, then that is not 'collusion' because we didn't have a common agreement to work together to do that killing. So, in that sense, there was no collusion and we can all move on.
If you are the sort of person who is happy with that conclusion, can I suggest you consider a career in Irish politics? -
Message 7
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
Republican terrorism was the root CAUSE of most of the avoidable misery that afflicted people throughout the island of Ireland throughout the twentieth century (including the Irish Child Abuse Holocaust, which could only have taken place in the tinpot, cryptotheocratic potato republic that an earlier generation of republican terrorists had established).
It NEVER gave rise to any positive developments. If the INLA and other republican terrorist gangs had not initiated the problems, organisation's like Wright's would never have been necessary in the first place. -
Message 8
Posted by ambi (U13776277) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
"including the Irish Child Abuse Holocaust, which could only have taken place in the tinpot, cryptotheocratic potato republic that an earlier generation of republican terrorists had established"
I suppose if one were being slabheadedly literal one could point out that an 'Irish Child Abuse Holocaust' could hardly take place anywhere else but Ireland. However there appear to have been child abuse holocausts in places with not a sniff of Irish Republicanism about them.
"If the INLA and other republican terrorist gangs had not initiated the problems, organisation's like Wright's would never have been necessary in the first place."
Naughty Republicans, making these nice Shankill Butchers act entirely out of character. -
Message 9
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
I know of no other so-called 'nation'
in which the state and general population can be considered so culpable of a Child Abuse Holocaust as is the case with the Irish Republic.
Naughty republicans indeed - without their terrorism, the 'Butchers' etc would never have come into existence... -
Message 10
Posted by U2133447 (U2133447) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
Would it be indelicate to point out that you are doing yourselves no favours by using the word holocaust wrongly. A holocaust is a wholesale mass destruction of (usually human) life by (usually) fire.
In that context there was not an 'Irish Child Abuse Holocaust'
Using the word as you have done is an insult to all those who have perished in holocausts, IMO -
Message 11
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
You may have a point, NE Juan, but I intend to continue to use the phrase 'Irish Child Abuse Holocaust' until Gaelic nationalists and their sympathisers, whether Irish or Highland Scotch, stop claiming that their people ever suffered even one 'genocide', which is another term with a very specific meaning...
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Message 13
Posted by NoNameNoFace (U1652129) on Wednesday, 15th September 2010
"If the INLA and other republican terrorist gangs had not initiated the problems, organisation's like Wright's would never have been necessary in the first place."
Completely not true.
I'll give the 1950's onwards, catholics treated like second class people in the North, couldnt get jobs, wernt allowed to vote, itimitated by loyalists. Burned outa their houses.
Step in the RUC who fought side by side with loyalist rioters in the summer of 1969 at the Bogside. Catholic areas needed protection, step the Provisionals.
I dont condone what the Republicans done in the troubles, they killed innocent people but they had a polictical agenda, scum like Billy Wright was a physcho path killed and based his motivation on pure hatred for catholics. If the INLA didnt eliminate him the peace process wouldnt of happened.
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