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Posted by AlexanderLiberty (U14397753) on Monday, 3rd May 2010
Hello to everyone,
Some Occidental countries and others developed mixed martial arts (e.g. French Savate, US marine martial arts, Krav Maga in Israel and Russian Sambo), in some case it was due to a military presence in far east (US forces stayed in Japan and Philippines) in others it was a condition to survive (Israeli people live in a eternal wartime).
I don’t know a particularly mixed martial art practice by British forces. It’s strange because Britain hold India (Kalarippayattu) and a part of China (Kung Fu) and Boxe was codifying in UK (The first boxing rules, called the Broughton's rules, were introduced by heavyweight champion Jack Broughton in 1743 to protect fighters in the ring where deaths sometimes occurred) so why it wasn’t create a mixed martial art for Special Forces like SAS or SBS, they’ve fought in all most important post war conflicts so they’ve the experience to create one like Americans and Israeli people.
Probably they’re training to quickly assault with rifles and flashbang. Quickly and lethal.
Bye
Alexander
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Sir Cathcart De'Ath, a character in Porterhouse Blue, once said that the British 'let our enemies think we're chinless wonders, then kick 'em in the goolies when they least expect it.'
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As far as I know, unarmed combat is part of basic training for British soldiers. It wouldn't be British style to systematise it and give it a fancy name - we'd be more likely to just take what we can use from other martial arts traditions and get on with it.
Presumably such training is much more comprehensive for special services, where silent killing is far more likely to be an issue.
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I would have thought that British methods evolved from those developed and taught by Fairburn and Sykes at Inverailort and Arisaig. They then taught the same techniques to the Commando and probably other countries followed.
I remember watching a judo demonstration by some Commando with a friend in the SAS. I asked him if they did that, he said they were just taught to win the fight using anything handy. Why go through fancy judo moves when there is a convenient brick to use?
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MB,
I remember watching a judo demonstration by some Commando with a friend in the SAS. I asked him if they did that, he said they were just taught to win the fight using anything handy. Why go through fancy judo moves when there is a convenient brick to use?Ìý
And while you're grabbing the brick, what's the other fellow grabbing?
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I believe during the 1970s there was considerable interest shown in a style known as Ecky Thump, codified by the team of Dr Graeme Garden, the ornithologist William Oddie and Timothy Brooke-Taylor.
This was done on the advice of Michael Bentine, who was an advisor on pistol marksmanship to the SAS.
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And while you're grabbing the brick, what's the other fellow grabbing?
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I hate to think what he might be grabbing!
I think the point was that it was no holds barred. A brick in the face is going to be more effective than the hand very much in the spirit of Fairburn and Sykes.
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LW,
I can state quite categorically that 'Ecky Thump' is no longer practised. This is due to the decline in the straight black pudding production. Due the Common Market regulations only curled cooked puddings are allowed and since the SAS found it impractical to attack a man with a black pudding shaped like a horseshoe or use the ghastly foreign salami, the programme has been cancelled.
I did write to the Sun and the Daily Mail about this unwarranted interference with our black pudding industry but they seemed to have ignored my letters - rutten boogas lyke!
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You should beware of Ecky Thump, as it can prove fatal for those not versed in its secrets...
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Going from memory (Not always a good thing to do) Wasn't there a Welsh version in the show called Yaki da, that involved attacking your opponent before they even new you existed? The ultimate preemptive strike.
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According to Mike Myers (in the film "So I Married an Axe Murderer") Scotland has its own martial arts system, known as F'kyu.
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Mike
Exponents of that martial art traditionally prepare themselves with a potion made by the monks of Buckfast Abbey which, curiously, is in England.
My earlier mention of Bentine and pistol shooting has reminded me that the Commandant of the Irish Arm'ys Small Arms School used to discuss his problems with his housekeeper.
This has led to the Irish Army's distinctive fire control order:
"In your own time, Go on, go on, go on."
LW
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Hi all,
Is this going to go anywhere sensible?!?!?
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Was that another version of the F'kyu Jimmy?
Andrew Host,
Come on, we're in the middle of an election - and if we are not allowed to comment on all that silliness what do you expect?
Respect Bro,
Spruggles
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shh, the teacher's coming, look busy...
erm, I suppose if you wanted traditional British martial arts, you'd have to go for archery or quarterstaff fighting.
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Or fish-slapping.
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Sirs,
You forget 'conkers'! Not to mention marbles and tiddly-winks.
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Ok - seriously - anyone want to return this to the subject of the OP - or has it run it's course?
Cheers
Andrew
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Andrew
This probably is not a good moment to get grammatically pedantic, but:
it's = it is
its = of it
LW
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Hi LW,
Not a great moment - but I take your correction - both seem logical candidates for an apostrophe and I do forget sometimes.
It would be good to see this thread get back on course...
Cheers
Andrew
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Fri, 07 May 2010 17:40 GMT, in reply to Andrew Host in message 20
I'll give it a go! ("Moriarty, I think he's a crawler...")
I believe there is such as thing as the Federation of European Martial Arts, which deals with historic European combat techniques. The 15th century 'Fight Book' (combat manual) of Hans Talhoffer (sp?) includes wrestling amongst its techniques, if memory serves. Often such skills would be combined with others - swordsmanship, for example, might include "throwing" or kicking your opponent. As the demonstrators at the Royal Armouries so ably (and graphically!) showed when I was there earlier this year, the elegant, sophisticated Elizabethan art of combat with English Broadsword and Buckler might involve a well placed knee in a tender place. So far as I can gather, Western martial arts have traditionally taken a pragmatic approach to winning however you can.
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Hi All,
I've found three different English Martial Arts and the second one it’s what I was looking for:
- Bartitsu
- Defendu
- Singlestick
But I think that an Ecky Thump’s Master is more lethal and dangerous.
Bye
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