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Message 1.Β
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Wednesday, 9th September 2009
I have been watching the new Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ program, and have found it interesting, and indeed it must be the first time the subject of segregation in the U S forces has been raised on a program that is so close to childrens T V. Well done to the Beeb. But one minor point. Again giving its time slot, is it necessary for almost everybody to be seen smoking. Yea I know that they did, but... Again, there was a suggestion that period programs used to receive cash from certain companies to include such scenes as it was the only way to push their products.
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Message 2
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Wednesday, 9th September 2009
Watched part three today, and for a Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ made program, there was a glaring mistake. A member of the R A F and supposibly aircrew,(No aircrew wings)wearing Flight Sargeant rank, but being refered to as an aircraftsman. Still quite good though.
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Message 3
Posted by LairigGhru (U5452625) on Thursday, 10th September 2009
Authenticity should not override commonsense in these productions - otherwise how are we ever going to rid ourselves of the curse of smoking. Besides giving a bad example to children, it seems unfair to present scenes of people smoking to those who may already be struggling with the process of giving up.
In my opinion, actors in these period dramas should hold a model of a cigarette so that a nod is given to period authenticity without actual smoke pouring all over the place. We viewers can use our imaginations. -
Message 4
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Thursday, 10th September 2009
L G, I couldn't agree more. There was moves afoot to make any film that showed smoking scenes or used rather interesting words, Adult only. Perhaps T V (Although sadly this is not the board to raise these points) should only show programes that have smoking swearing and sex after say 10-00pm.
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Message 5
Posted by LairigGhru (U5452625) on Thursday, 10th September 2009
It's a bit like those flat-lens spectacles that we see actors using when they are playing the part of a spectacle-wearer. It would, after all, be unreasonable to ask them to wear real lenses that could well 'pull' their eyes. The false cigarette would be a similar prop.
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Message 6
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 11th September 2009
Perhaps T V (Although sadly this is not the board to raise these points) should only show programes that have smoking swearing and sex after say 10-00pm.Β
Not much point since you can watch them at any time via the net. -
Message 7
Posted by trainbleu (U3302877) on Sunday, 13th September 2009
We have watched all the series, but are slightly confused as to whom it is directed. Too adult for children, too shallow for adults, too many errors for those who lived through the war, too many dramas to be believable, and yet we are supposed to believe that it is a true representation.....are we?
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Message 8
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Monday, 14th September 2009
A case of trying to be all things to all men, and being nothing to anybody. Perhaps the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ should shoot the producer, and then seek advice on how to do it the right way. (If I can go back to the uniform mistake) The R A F station commander refered to the sargeant of the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ Guard as the Captain. The Flight Sargeant was an airgunner but still did not have a half wing, and the whole thing gave the impression that the whole of the Land Army were happy to be bedded by anything in pants. An insult to those hard working women.
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Message 9
Posted by caveman1944 (U11305692) on Monday, 14th September 2009
For God's sake don't show any WW1 shots and those dreadful Woodbines.
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Message 10
Posted by smofalsh (U1895543) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
This was an era where not only was smoking tolerated but positively encouraged. Many doctors of the time publicly recommended smoking as a positive aid to health! To view this (or any other) period objectively one has to realise that public mores and values were entirely different than those professed today and therefore one has to treat any past period with respect and not try to impose on it modern socio-political ideology.
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Message 11
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
I would agree if you were viewing an old film, or newsreels from that time, but there is no reason to add smoking scenes to something made today. It strikes me as Placement adds.
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Message 12
Posted by Thomas_B (U1667093) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
LairigGhru,
In my opinion, actors in these period dramas should hold a model of a cigarette so that a nod is given to period authenticity without actual smoke pouring all over the place. We viewers can use our imaginations.Β
Yes, we can. So we can do the same with watching an bomber to "approach" dripping bombs without doing so, and we imagine the dropping bomb and the damage it caused, without real demage, right?
By the way, for people who struggling with the process of giving up smoking, to watch the real smoke of a Cigarette, might be an challange for their strenght of their will to come over this. -
Message 13
Posted by caveman1944 (U11305692) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
Without the NHS smoking would have conitinued .
I could still enjoy a cigarette about 1960 when rain in the air would increase the enjoyment of the cigarette owing to added oxygen i suppose ?
By 1971 or so, I was cursing, not only the outragious price but the foul taste.
I wish to emphasise that; the foul taste.
Was it me ? I think not, for foul taste has been a feature since then for many smokers.
Oh for an American 'Camel' with it's toasted tobacco.
Few women smoked pre and early postwar years, yet a pub would be yellow with niccoteen and women seemed not to mind the smoke, even to the point of some expressing their preference for either a pipe or a cigar.
What happened to that Virginia tobacco of old ? -
Message 14
Posted by giraffe47 (U4048491) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
Surely if you want to have an 'authentic' WW1 or WW2 drama, you have to show life as it was. If they got the ranks or the uniforms wrong, there would be an outcry. (see these boards, for a start!)
So how can you show 'authentic' WW1 Tommies without the almost obligatory Woodbine? Should we 'clean up' the past like this, in the light of our modern ideas of 'decency'? -
Message 15
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Tuesday, 15th September 2009
G, if you read my postings, you will see that they did get the ranks wrong in this program.
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Message 16
Posted by Spruggles (U13892773) on Wednesday, 16th September 2009
Well, isn't taste a matter of ... eh ... taste?
See, I was an avid smoker. I loved a pipe(Exmoor Hunt the choice of 'baccy) and I smoked cigarettes(Senior Service, Piccadilly, Balkan Sobranie[my favourite]) but Camels?? I hated them, I thought they were vile ... I even preferred my Aunt's Turkish fags(it helped because they were free)
I gave up smoking in about 1979. Not because of the taste .. I still enjoyed the indulgence but because my son then aged five, hated me smoking. He would not sit on my lap if I was or had been smoking. The crunch came one day when I asked him to fetch my cigarettes from the kitchen. When he came back with them he actually wore oven gloves rather than touch the packet. I thought enough is enough and I have not been tempted since.
Regards Spruggles. -
Message 17
Posted by giraffe47 (U4048491) on Wednesday, 16th September 2009
That is what I meant, Fred - any mistakes of that kind are complained about (quite rightly) but 'authenticity' in men smoking is regarded as wrong by the ASH brigade?
PS. I am a lifelong NON-smoker. I got the cure trying to see the other side of the room at home, through my Dad's Woodbine fumes! -
Message 18
Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Wednesday, 16th September 2009
G, I too have never even tried one in my 63 years.
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