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Message 1.Β
Posted by Alice (U10699231) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2008
Hello! I am an A Level student and am looking into WW1 for my art a level. I know it sounds strange, but I'm thinking of making a collage to comment on a soldiers life, it's hard to explain but something combining some propaganda for recruitment with some photos and possessions / things that hint at what life was like for a soldier in the trenches. I would like to include a map of the battlefields that they would have used at the time - obviously not the original, but does anyone know where I may be able to find copies / pictures of the maps they used that I can copy? I've looked on image search but i'm not sure what to search for and I can't find much.
Thank you very much!
Alice x -
Message 2
Posted by ElizaShaw (U10750867) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2008
Try the Imperial War Museum? Must have a library, archive, that sort of thing? Or the National Army Museum?
Do you plan to include any images from the war artists? Especially the incredibly chilling 'We are making a new world'...by, I think, Nash? -
Message 3
Posted by Volgadon (U10843893) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2008
I agree, contact museums, but try this for now.
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Message 4
Posted by Volgadon (U10843893) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2008
I forgot this
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Message 5
Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2008
Alice - try this web to give you some ideas
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Message 6
Posted by vera1950 (U9920163) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
hiAlice,I see youve alredy had some good pointers.
Can I suggest some more.
1-any PauL Reed site -he's an expert on WW1, an official guide and has written books on the subect.
He really gets into the life of the common soldier.
2-try this site- of the Great War.
Ths is a brilliant site dealing with many aspects of WW1 ,beware some of the pictures are a bit gory.
3- another s- a multimedia history-covering any aspects.
4--the Western Front association.
5--the Khaki Chums.
I hope these are helpful to you.
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Message 7
Posted by Alice (U10699231) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
Thank you so much, this has all been really helpful! The maps on the links were all exactly what i've been looking for, problem solved!!
Thanks again,
Alice -
Message 8
Posted by JB (U569100) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
Someone you might like to research is the great NZ photographer Frank Hurley, who took the pics of the Shakleton Polar Expidition, came home a hero but was then condemned for his montage recreations of WWI battle scenes.
Hurley was accused of falsification. His defence was that photography was a composition like any other 2D art and he was depicting a greater truth. -
Message 9
Posted by ElizaShaw (U10750867) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
Well, that's all very well, but the photos MUST make clear they are montages! Otherwise we are in Big Brother land.
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Message 10
Posted by JB (U569100) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
Well yes, he was a bit naughty there, but the top brass who objected to Hurley had no trouble with newsreel films 'recreating' Battle of the Somme, or stories in papers about Angels fighting alongside British troops.
The photographer selects the frame and chooses when to expose the film. The idea that photography is THE truth is highly naive at best. Hurley's depictions were a narrative of real events. The fact that that particular soldier never stood underneath that particular aircraft is beside the point. The lad was hard done by, not least because being a colonial, he was not one of the 'chaps'. He remains a genius who helped define photography as an art form, and I for one vote his shots of Endurance at night as among the greatest photos ever taken. -
Message 11
Posted by Sabre-Wulf (U2142937) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
Re Message 8, I hadn't heard of the chap so looked him up on Wikipedia which seems to suggest he was an Australian rather than from New Zealand.
Wiki getting it wrong (as usual) or is there more to his story?
Cheers,
SW -
Message 12
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Wednesday, 23rd January 2008
I'd never heard of him but have seen his work before, after looking him up on Google:
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Message 13
Posted by JB (U569100) on Thursday, 24th January 2008
Sorry. Got the nationality wrong. He joined Shackleton on Endurance at the last docking in NZ is my feeble excuse.
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Message 14
Posted by Sabre-Wulf (U2142937) on Thursday, 24th January 2008
Kiwis, Aussies - all the same really
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Message 15
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Thursday, 24th January 2008
There are loads here:
But remember to check for copyright... -
Message 16
Posted by PhilHBT (U10984389) on Tuesday, 5th February 2008
Regarding maps of battlefields, well there is not much to see most were a sea of mud and any land features were blasted away, a few villages here and there.
as for getting into the mind of the soldier??...no not possible, I lived with my Dad for 18yrs until he died and never got to know his thoughts...well he did not talk anyway. I think soldiers talk when they get older.
do we really want to know inside their minds? A bit like Pandoras box...do you want to lift the lid? -
Message 17
Posted by Amphion (U3338999) on Wednesday, 6th February 2008
Have you tied using 'splashes' of khaki, Field Grey, and Light blue to represent the colours of the tunics worn by the chief protagonists on the Western Front.. Oh, and its always a good idea to include the odd field gun. for example the British captured a German 'Meuse' at the battle of Loos in September 1915, and sent it on a tour of the Municipal Towns of Great Britain.
Might I enquire as to your light medium... of course, one of the stand out features of the war, was the rain. so you might consider putting in a few puddles, especially in the region of Passchendale. and what about using a little text from one of the great war poets, Sassoon or Owen.
Maps are a bit of a funny business, although the original maps are the guide from which all other maps have since been copied, there still exists some strange copyright laws protecting some of them. I tried to draw my own, but it ended up looking like a 'moo cow.'!!! -
Message 18
Posted by Amphion (U3338999) on Friday, 8th February 2008
I was only joshing Alice, yoour idea having stimulated my muse, I feel strangely inspired!!!
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Message 19
Posted by Alice (U10699231) on Friday, 29th February 2008
I'm glad I stimulated your muse!! I've finished now - I needed the map as I was recreating a 1917 newspaper article. I know they probably didn't publish these in the press but it would have looked good! I wrote the article on a canvas and then contradicted all the 'high morale' that the article detailed with a soldiers diary in the foreground saying how dismal it all was... I was making a comment somewhere!
Thanks for all your help,
Alice
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