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Economic boom during the third reich, HELP

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  Posted by JJLoads (U9817127) on Sunday, 30th September 2007

  Hi everyone.
  I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with an essay im doing. its full title is "assess the importance and implications of the economic boom during the third reich".
  
  I have kinda broken the question down, but am a bit confused.
  Did the third reich still experience a boom once the war had started? and should i refer to the war much in my essay or do you tink i shud stop as the war begins.
  i have broken the answer into the following bullet points.
  Importance= fueled the war
  gave german people better standard of living
  cut unemployment
  built infrasture
  brought american companys eg coke, hugo boss, ford
  
  imPlications= war ran on slave labor
  slave labor allowed germany to continue in war.
  
  
  im just not sure how to structure an essay like this.
  any hints
  

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  Posted by stanilic (U2347429) on Sunday, 30th September 2007

  My understanding of the period was that the German economy did well under the Nazis for the simple reason that they started at a low point in the economic cycle and created much needed employment through a programme of civil works and rearmament.
  
  The German economy began to go off the boil around 1938 and required re-invigorating. This might account for the deliberate campaign to dispossess the Jews.
  
  I have failed to remember a reference I once saw that suggested that by the late Thirties Hitler needed to generate external crises in order to take the mind of the German citizen away from the deteriorating domestic economy. This lead to a miscalculation over the Polish corridor. That idea might be worth following up.
  
  Nial Fergusson in `The Cash Nexus' quotes a reference that suggests the Nazis expropriated between $8 billion and $12.6 billion from the Jews of Europe. Useful book that.

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  Posted by abrazier (U3915690) on Sunday, 30th September 2007

  If you've time to read it, "Wages of Destruction" by a chap called Tooze is an excellent disection of the economy of the Third Reich from 1933 - 1945. Bit dry at first but stick with it. It works over the whole German economic miracle and shines some light into some very interesting corners.

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  Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Sunday, 30th September 2007

  Abrazier,
  
  thank you for this link:
  
  
  Warm regards,
  
  Paul.

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  Posted by JJLoads (U9817127) on Monday, 1st October 2007

  Thanks everyone.

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  Posted by daveisaware (U9861030) on Tuesday, 2nd October 2007

  It is a fairly simple model, used by any government trying to stimulate growth and employment with job creation projects. Usually, the government will borrow money to pay for infrastructure projects, which means the builders have to employ people and order materials etc. That creates income, which becomes current spending in the economy, raising the level of current demand and thus economic activity. It is however predicated on the governemnt being able to pay the borrowing back at some stage, hopefully on the proceeeds of the economic growth it has stimulated. The tax proceeds however never do cover the outlay, partly as the returns are not as great from the project and partly because of friction, notably that some of the workers' income is saved and not put into current demand. That is why these projects fail in the end as the government has to repay its initial borrowings either by raising tax, cutting spending, borrowing yet more and getting into vicious credit circle or printing more money, which will stoke inflation as well as devaluing the currency.
  
  War is slightly different, not least as it often comes after a period of high inflation - both for Napoleon and Hitler. It is then predicated on the basis that the acquisitions of territory or reparations will cover the costs. Lazare Carnot, the "organiser of Victory" thought war should pay for war, but it doesn't, not least as the state forces must keep on winning and then have to carry the garrisoning costs of new territories. What actually happens is that taxes have to rise and the military take an ever increasing share of state wealth, such that it squeezes out private consumption. That will produce an economic collapse and breaks the machine, which is running the process. This forces the state either to admit defeat with a deficit or gamble with ever greater stakes and in the end, the state cannot sustain the wars. For a more recent example, see G. Bush and the collapse in the USD, prompted by failed wars in Afghanistan (gas pipeline from Central Asia) and Iraq (oil). Want to know why Nap invaed Spain and Russia or why Hitler turned south from the gates of Moscow? The need for resoucres outweighed the military requirements.

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  Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Wednesday, 3rd October 2007

  Might be worth doing a search on "Keynesian". Also get youself some brownie points by comparing the Nazi program with Roosevelt's "New Deal" policies, perhaps.

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  Posted by Rootless Cosmopolitan (U5638156) on Wednesday, 10th October 2007

  As well as the 'Cash Nexus' (ie they robbed the Jews of everything they had) you might look at foreign inward investment from various sources including the US and UK. From inside you should look to the Kombine companies as was the nature of Fascist economics this was a Corporatist (not a Corporate) policy.
  
  In the US, those 'trading with the enemy'*, included several erm.. colourful personalities in the Power Elite.
  
  Including GW Bushs' maternal Grandfather, but before you groan .... it was the Kennedys father who was the actual Nazi. As was Henry Ford who built a plant in Nazi Germany and got a medal from Hitler for publishing 'The International Jew' a virulant antisemitic tome.
  
  Look up the 'Wall Street Pirates' and the legal firm of Sullivan and Cromwell for the US. Check Allen and John Foster Dulles especially.
  
  * another 'handy' book on this subject.

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  Posted by stanilic (U2347429) on Friday, 12th October 2007

  Henry Ford was a renowned anti-semite long before the Nazis put on long trousers. It was this sort of institutionalised racism that provided the Nazis with some credible support.
  
  You forgot to mention the Englishman, Houston Stewart Chamberlain and his nonsencial tome `The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century' in which he postulated the idea of a Germanic Master Race.
  
  Anti-semitism was and is not just an issue for Germans.

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  Posted by Rootless Cosmopolitan (U5638156) on Friday, 12th October 2007

  Stanilc,
  
  I don't know if you are complementing to my post above but, of course, antisemitism prior to the Nazis election in '33 would include several people who were not German. Hitler, for example, was Austrian but many fellow travellers were not even 'Western'.
  
  Hasan Al Banna and Sayyid Qutb, of the Muslim Brotherhood (these days that is HAMAS in Palestine, and the MAB in the UK), Al Banna was the Grandfather of MB spokesman Tariq Ramadan.
  
  Iz Adin Al Qassam, leader of 'The Black Hand' terrorist organisation and instigator of the Hebron Massacre and of course his buddy,
  
  Haj Amin Al Husseini, the founder and father of Palestinian Nationalism and Arafats 'uncle', appointer of the latter as head of Fatah and original funder of the PLO. Directly responsible for the murders of thousands of Jews at Theresienstadt Concentration camp and a primary initiator and overseer of the application of the Final Solution. Chief Nazi Arabic propagandist before, during and after WW2. Also friend and co-conspirator with Rashid Ali of the Iraki pogrom in 1941.
  
  Also virulent antisemites were,
  
  Ibn Saud who chose to supply the Axis with oil for the duration in return for several million in weapons and cash.
  
  Anton Saada of the Syrian National Socialists and Ahmed Hussein of Young Egypt (later members were Gamel Nasser and Anwat Sadat).
  
  We can include also Stalin, Soviet Communism and not forgetting the antisemite Karl Marx.
  
  And it should also be noted that the antisemite Arthur Balfour was UK Prime Minister and introduced the Aliens Act 1905.

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  Posted by stanilic (U2347429) on Friday, 12th October 2007

  I always thought Karl Marx was of Jewish origin although he had clearly put aside that part of his being at some point. Perhaps he was just a complex psychological case.

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  Posted by Rootless Cosmopolitan (U5638156) on Monday, 15th October 2007

  Stanilc,
  
  His father converted to christianity.
  
  Marx always took the paranoic view of Jews as 'International Capital' it is from here that communism took on racist views of Jews as a People.
  
  In NO the Jewish Problem Marx holds forth that to avoid antisemitism Jews should all assimilate.
  
  Not quiet as vicious a racism as that of the C20th Nazis/Islamist anitsemitism but in effect the same.
  
  Stalin made no distinction and was happy to purge the Red Army and Communist Party of ethnic Jews and prevent all Jewish religious organisation and practice. Just when we got rid of that murderer along came Khruschev, then Breshnev. The Trots are just as bad, luckily they haveno power to do anyhting about it excpet incite hatred and violence towards Jews and make coalitions with their racist cronies of the 'Islamic' version of Nazism.

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  Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 15th October 2007

  One of the worst bits is that you can't make any critical remark, no matter how restrained, no matter how justified, about the actions of the state of Israel without being perceived as a fellow traveller for this particular brand of idiocy.

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  Posted by Rootless Cosmopolitan (U5638156) on Monday, 15th October 2007

  Urnungal,
  
  That is completely untrue since there are plenty of criticisms of Israel made by Zionists. It is that a lot of what claims to be 'criticism' (and sure why not criticise Israel?) goes way beyond that or any kind of legitimate discourse.
  
  Towards this the BNP and many on the so-called Left are indistinguishable in their views of Israel. As well as by their shared lunatic paranoias of course.

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  Posted by stanilic (U2347429) on Monday, 15th October 2007

  Indeed there are many Jews who criticise Israel. I know some Israeli Jews who criticise Israel. Israel is a free country, a democracy even, so why all the hate? I find it weird when otherwise intelligent persons treat Jewish people as if they are some sort of an amorphous mass with a singular identity.
  
  A rabbi once told me a joke about three Protestants, three Catholics and three Jews who were all marooned on a desert island. They all agreed that they would fully cooperate with each other except in the matter of religion. So a Protestant church, a Catholic church and a synagogue were built. Ten years later a rescue boat arrived and took the nine people off the island. The rescuers were puzzled to find one Protestant church, one Catholic church and three synagogues. The old boy had a twinkle in his eye when he told me the joke.
  
  Tripping down memory lane a few more years I can recall the amusement occasioned by the line taken by Colin Jordan's National Socialist Movement at the time leading up to the June War in 1967. The NSM was notoriously anti-semitic and was responsible for daubing vicious Nazi slogans on synagogue walls. Yet when faced with the prospect of the annihilation of Israel by the Arab countries they decided they could not support Arabs and came out in support of Israel albeit conditionally.
  
  I have not been able to take an anti-semite seriously ever since. I can think of a few Yiddish words to describe them but perhaps this is not an appropriate place.

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  Posted by Rootless Cosmopolitan (U5638156) on Tuesday, 16th October 2007

  Stanlic,
  
  2 jews, 3 Synagogues.
  
  His one, my one, and the one neither of us will be seen dead in!
  
  Yes indeed but *absolutely no dissent* is tolerated on 'the other side' of that conflict. Strange how that is never mentioned by the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ.
  
  I wonder how the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ will spin the cancellation of the One Voice Peace Concerts due to the threats?
  
  

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