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Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Wednesday, 3rd May 2006
I would like to know if their was any interest across the waters about the easter rising commemorations in Dublin. It has a huge significance in Irish history and the legacy it left. Many English soldiers died fighting the rebels and some commentators thought that they should be commemorated as well, as an act of reconciliation. Has anybody got an opinion.
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Posted by gooserss (U1983611) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Hi
good to see ireland having a celebration for the rising at last.
however, have to be pedantic - english soldiers ? - surely you mean british. scots, welsh, english and yes even irish all serving in her majestes forces.
Are they going to have a reenactment of the event ?
The brave rebels surrendering and then being booed by the population of dublin ?
A small montage of irish soldiers reactions on the western front as they heard what happened and felt betrayed for a number of reasons ?
Perhaps a mock fight between the sides of the civil war ?
Sadly i dont think anyone in england cares about the news. Its good to celebrate history, and the major events that led a country to freedom.Link to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Posted by Thomas_B (U1667093) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Hello Dedalus,
The Event you mentioned has got an short report in the German TV News.
I am personally very interested in Irish History and primary in the part from the easter rising to the present time.
The whole topic has too much sections as that it would be enough to give here an short opinion.
In one sentence I would say, that the Irish were right to fight for their own independence, even more by looking back on their history under the rulement of the British Empire for 700 years.
Greetings from Germany.
Thomas
PS: I suppose you like James Joyce (Ulysses) because of the name you took for these boards.Link to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Posted by U3881515 (U3881515) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
I hope they commemorate the Finnish sailors who fought throughout, then went back to their ship. A word might also be said for Arthur Horner, the future miners' leader, who went over to serve in the Citizen Army. Dublin was THE place to be in those days! Will they put on O'Casey's plays, I wonder?
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Message 5
Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Not at all bothered to be honest - if you want to celebrate thats fine but then don't complain on August 12th - all's fair isn't it?
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Message 6
Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Obviously there is one person in England that seems to be interested, even if it's to be facetious about another persons history of their country. By the way anybody can be pedantic: reenactment is a hyphenated word. RE-ENACTMENT.
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Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Hi
good to see ireland having a celebration for the rising at last.
however, have to be pedantic - english soldiers ? - surely you mean british. scots, welsh, english and yes even irish all serving in her majestes forces.
Are they going to have a reenactment of the event ?
The brave rebels surrendering and then being booed by the population of dublin ?
A small montage of irish soldiers reactions on the western front as they heard what happened and felt betrayed for a number of reasons ?
Perhaps a mock fight between the sides of the civil war ?
Sadly i dont think anyone in england cares about the news. Its good to celebrate history, and the major events that led a country to freedom.
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Message 8
Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Thursday, 4th May 2006
Your very perceptive, knowing the reason why I use the name, Dedalus. What makes you intersted in the history of Ireland.
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Message 9
Posted by Thomas_B (U1667093) on Friday, 5th May 2006
Hi Dedalus,
9 years ago I saw the film "Michael Collins" at the cinema. I was such impressed by that film that I started to interest me in Irish History. Since there time, my interest in Irish History has not stopped. I have some different books and a few films about Irish History and what mades me so interested is, how the Irish people suffered under the English conqueres and the later British rule in Ireland. Some risings failed over the centuries but the Irish didn´t gave up their will for their own independence. And finally the easter rising of 1916 was - in my opinion - the beginning for further steps towards independence, even when the easter rising failed too. But the people who survived the shooting of leaders from the IRB by the British Forces, took new strategies in their fight for independence. The most important figures were Michael Collins and Eamon De Valera.
I know that something in the film "Michael Collins" is arguable about how and if some scenes really happened as depicted in the film, but many things are historically confirmed in different historical books.
It is sad that just in the moment when the Irish succeeded and got an Irish Freestate, as first step into independence, the civil war broke out.
By reading some books about Irish History, I got an few behind the reasons for the troubles in Norther Ireland and I know why those troubles happened. Before that time, I couldn´t understand why two different Christian groups killed each other because of beeing Catholic or Protestant. Everybody here in Germany who know nothing about what is behind that troubles can not understand the reasons for. I think that the Problems in Northern Ireland were and are ethnically and politically.
To divorce Ireland and leave the Norther Part within the U.K. was an hard compromise to bring the greater part of Ireland the Freestate. But the Unionists in the North had never agreed to become part of an Irish Republic. Neither in 1916, 1920/21 nor in the present time. Only if the British Government had abandoned the Unionists and released the whole Island of Ireland as an undivided country from their Union and Empire, the troubles may - but also only maybe - had been prevented, if the Irish government had treated the Protestants not in the same way as the Protestants did with the Catholics in Northern Ireland. But this is an very difficult issue.
There is many further to discover to me in Irish History and interesting to me is too, what reasons were behind the realations between the IRB and the German Government in WWI and also in WWII.
Some people state that it is an black point on De Valera that he tried to have good relations to the British and the German government during WWII and hold on to the status of Neutrality.
Regards
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Message 10
Posted by gooserss (U1983611) on Friday, 5th May 2006
he couldnt be talking about me ?!
How does he know im english ?
Dont really want to play the spelling game, or hurried typing at work that causes mistakes game.
Especially not with someone using english as their second language.
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Message 11
Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Friday, 5th May 2006
Your very astute for an english man. Why do the english not have a St George's Day? St Patrick's day is celebrated all over the world, including England. Strange, don't you think? Maybe not.
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Message 12
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Friday, 5th May 2006
It is a fact that De Valera signed the book of condolences at the German Embassy in Dublin after Hitlers death - he will be sorely missed
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Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 5th May 2006
It is a fact that De Valera signed the book of condolences at the German Embassy in Dublin after Hitlers death - he will be sorely missed Ìý
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Message 14
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Friday, 5th May 2006
It is a fact that De Valera signed the book of condolences at the German Embassy in Dublin after Hitlers death - he will be sorely missed Ìý
are you kidding? that's a joke.Ìý
1945 April 30 de Valera visits the German embassy in Dublin and signs a book of condolences memorializing the death of Hitler
yes you would like to think so - this is just one of the Google sites
but hang on - he was kind to animals
- he even got Blondi to test his cyanide pill - what a geezer !!
cheers STLink to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 5th May 2006
The IRA/Sinn Fein are opening a take-away in his honour of Bobby Sands - you call up to get your order delivered - number is Castlereagh 8 0, 8 0, 8 0.
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Message 16
Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Friday, 5th May 2006
wrong thread ?? - didnt get that on the first one ?? 8-0 that is = hunger strikers who snuffed it ??
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Message 17
Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 5th May 2006
wrong thread ?? - didnt get that on the first one ?? 8-0 that is = hunger strikers who snuffed it ??Ìý
ate nothing, ate nothing, ate nothingLink to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Message 18
Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Friday, 5th May 2006
It's great to be a bit of an oul' dunce. The likes of you would never be able to understand someone that has the courage to die for their country. Goodluck, Godspeed and farewell. What do your mates call you: PULL THE PLUMB!
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Message 19
Posted by dedalus (U3901815) on Friday, 5th May 2006
He did a lot worse than that, would you believe. But he still believed in the cause. Ireland will be free, whether through political dialogue or taking up arms. This is the irrevocable course of events, as any astute Irish man will tell you.
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Message 20
Posted by FunHouse (U2427853) on Saturday, 6th May 2006
Not at all bothered to be honest - if you want to celebrate thats fine but then don't complain on August 12th - all's fair isn't it?
Ìý What happens on August 12?
Are you confusing August 12 with July 12?Link to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Message 21
Posted by Plancenoit (U1237957) on Saturday, 6th May 2006
Eire = EU
UK = EU (eventually)
UDA = EU
IRA = EU
The real question is.....why have so many died since 1916 'fighting' for what was inevitable after 1945 anyway??
Was there really any point trying to establish Irish Republicanism in the 70's, killing and maiming, when we were ALL heading the same way??
Why are we wasting lives and money separating Islamic states, when we should (could) have kicked Ireland into the 20/21 Century anyway??
Is there any point putting a bomb in a Falls Road pub , when we've known (politically) for 30/40 years we'll be united anyway??
The religion thing is a sham. Just a bunch of wannabe ar#$*es living on the insecurity of Joe Public.
Is Joe Public blind........or just bloody stupid.????Link to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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Message 22
Posted by gooserss (U1983611) on Tuesday, 9th May 2006
Still waiting to find out why you think im english ?!
St Pats celebrated due to irish in the US, then jumped on by big buisness to help sell beer. There are irish pubs in every city in the world.......these have as much to do with ireland as disney represents true american life.
I get angry at the top of the morning, shamrock, green guiness ideals portrayed as being ireland.
Is this the ireland of the 21st century ?
as for being united, well i doubt you could afford it. Like the idea though, all one big happy family, like last month when victims of the troubles tried to have a march in dublin.
Boy, they got a warm reception.Link to this forum: the 1916 easter rising commemoration parade in dublin
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