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  Posted by Mr Fatuous (U2421415) on Saturday, 29th April 2006

  Could we have avoided the cold war?
  
  Would a more robust Western atitide to Russia between 1945 and 1950 persuaded Stalin to "back off"?
  
  Or, if FDR had lived, would more concillitory policies have led to the Russian not viewining the West as a threat?
  
  Any ideas?
  
  Regards
  
  FF
  
  
  Ps - Hello again to Kurt by the way!

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Saturday, 29th April 2006

  I've got the one idea.
  Better option for avoiding the cold war was the chance of the West to nuke Stalin's Russia between 1945 and 1949....once and for ever...while FBI built up a dossier detailing Greenglass' spying activities, which were created with the connivance of the pink 'liberal' FDR, inside the Los Alamos complex.
  
  Frank and the rest of Westerners-Russians are doomed on viewing the West as the threat now and then from their sophisticated nature .

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  Posted by stalteriisok (U3212540) on Saturday, 29th April 2006

  I've got the one idea.
  Better option for avoiding the cold war was the chance of the West to nuke Stalin's Russia between 1945 and 1949....once and for ever...while FBI built up a dossier detailing Greenglass' spying activities, which were created with the connivance of the pink 'liberal' FDR, inside the Los Alamos complex.
  
  Frank and the rest of Westerners-Russians are doomed on viewing the West as the threat now and then from their sophisticated nature .Β 
  
  Well i think your post proves how false Stalins paranoia about the west wanting to attack the Soviet Union was
  
  Russa was never the problem - Stalin was - do you not think that the russian people after 30 + years of Stalin with scores of mllion deaths would not have preferred a democratic country with the benefits of a western democracy - or were they all anti west bolsheviks ?? - these were the same people that lined the streets of the Ukraine to welcome the wehrmacht as liberators
  
  The way to avoid the cold war was for Stalin to die straight after WW2 - tragically in 1946 falling under a captured Tiger tank during the 1946 MayDay parade
  Even Kruschev was quite an amenable chap and probably open to a compromise - with Stalin it was a no go
  Even more of a pity was that Gorbachev wasnt the one to take over from Stalin
  
  And I think it was a tragedy tht FDR was not alive at the end of WW2 - a superb president who looked to the future more than the past and wasnt weighed down with the suspicions of Churchill (not that Churchill was wrong)
  
  cheers ST
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 4th May 2006

  'Russa was never the problem - Stalin was'-Russia is always being a problem....as the 'native land' for 'stalins'.
  
  'the same people that lined the streets of the Ukraine to welcome the wehrmacht as liberators'-you have no right to blame 'em for it....if even later they joined Waffen-SS Division 'Galytchyna' to fight against Stalin's troops for their Ukraine on their own....to avoid the Chernobyls'Russian 'nukes'(=500 A-Bombs which were used against Japan in 1945)in future...
  As for FDR I don't think that he was able to foresee something like that..but Sir W.Churchill could.

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  Posted by DL (U1683040) on Thursday, 4th May 2006

  I'd say that the Cold War was inevitable, the only alternative being a hot war (which thankfully we never had!). The alliance between the main three belligerents in World War 2 was always one of convenience rather than genuine "friendship" (if one can have friendship between countries). Much more a case of "My enemy's enemy is my friend" than anything else.
  
  Even when Russia, the UK and US were fighting alongside one another, there was always a large amount of mistrust, however this was always overcome in order to defeat the common enemy, Hitler's Germany, and indeed in the USSR's case, they were fighting for their very existence so anyone willing to lend a hand was welcomed with open arms! However, they were never comfortable with the situation.
  
  If you go back to the "Big three", we have the USA, capitalist through and through, ideologically opposed to Stalinism, and booming economically as a result of war production. The UK, both capitalist AND imperialist, led by Churchill who was as fervent an anti-communist as he could possibly be. Both these countries are the absolute opposite to the USSR, with its totalitarian, communist dictatorship under "Uncle Joe". The three are the most unlikely allies imaginable, and indeed Britain even got as far as preparing an expeditionary force to go and assist Finland in its Winter War against the USSR, so we came very close to being at war with Russia, rather than allied to them.
  
  Immediately the war ends, the common enemy is defeated, yet the mistrust and animosity remains. With no reason to remain allies, then the cold war is inevitable. Stalinist Russia had its own plans for its "sphere of influence" as the big three planned for the division of Europe after the war's end, as did the western powers. The two were never compatible, and without the development of nuclear weapons, a shooting war would have been inevitable.

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  Posted by Phoenix Program (U3870061) on Thursday, 4th May 2006

  If we had succeeded at Galipoli, there wouldn't have been a cold war.

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 4th May 2006

  Hi DL,
  ' the only alternative being a hot war (which thankfully we never had'-Westerners ....never had.
  Ukrainians besides Chornobyl had been experienced one other 'nuke' underneath Donetsk's pit in 1972 ....and in Charkiv in 1978 from the hands of Russian 'experts'...they just wanted to see...of what would be happened then....in Ukraine...but not in Moscow or Smolensk.

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