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  Posted by Jozef (U1330965) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  The Warsaw Ghetto Rising started today, on April 19th, 63 years ago. Anyone thought about it today? Was it mentioned in the media this morning or are there other, more important anniversaries? Is the liberation of Auschwitz more significant?

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  Posted by Thomas_B (U1667093) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  Hi Jozef
  
  There was no mention about the Warsaw Ghetto Rising in any media today. Some anniversaries are most mentioned when it is 60 or 65 years ago. The liberation of Auschwitz is more significant here in Germany because it is an commemoration day since a few years. It is also the same with the Warsaw Rising in 1944 that became more attention by the media in 2004.
  
  I donΒ΄t know any other important historical anniversary for today. But maybe the people in Israel might remember the Warsaw Ghetto Rising.
  
  Greetings
  
  Thomas

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  Posted by Zeiltje1thehague (U3193096) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  Jews defending themselves with force for the first time since Massada. Europe still can't cope the idea. Europe is more interested in her own guilt and self-repentence.
  

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  Posted by Dirk Marinus (U1648073) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  The Warsaw Ghetto Rising started today, on April 19th, 63 years ago. Anyone thought about it today? Was it mentioned in the media this morning or are there other, more important anniversaries? Is the liberation of Auschwitz more significant? Μύ
  
  
  
  Hiya Jozef,
  
  Greetings.
  
  Next Friday 28th April, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ TV channel 2 is going to air a documentary entitled "Battle for Warshaw".
  
  It starts at 21.00hrs (our time).
  
  Do you in Poland have access to the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ channels?
  
  Actually the Warshaw uprising is shown quite frequently on some of the SKY channels especially on the History and Civilisation channel.
  
  

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  
  Gee Josef,
  
  The 5th Ukrainian TV channel has told of these tragic episodes from the Polish history this morning.It didn't forget also to mention about the way of conducting the Stalin's troops during the revolt in Warsaw.I think that the Warsaw Ghetto Rising was more significant event than the liberation of Auschwitz for a simple reason.In case with WGR we deal with the revolt on what people went for their own will against the obstacles which existed.
  
  Jack.
  

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  Posted by Jozef (U1330965) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  Yes, Jack, I also think the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is more significant than the liberation of Auschwitz. By the time the Russians arrived, the camp had been all but completely evacuated. There were just 7,500 inmates left, fortunate enough not to have been put in the prisoner columns of the so-called death marches, during which many more than 7,500 perished. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, on the other hand, was the first large scale civilian uprising in occupied Europe and it was a Jewish upring. It was doomed to fail, they didn't stand a chance, but they were heroes and they died fighting.
  
  Yes, Thomas, we should normally celebrate just round numbers as far as anniversaries are concerned, but certain anniversaries have been neglected for far too long. You remember the 60th anniversary of the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, but do you remember any celebrations for the 50th anniversary? Probably not, because none were planned. In 2004 it was the politial will of the then mayor of Warsaw (now Poland's president) to draw media attention to this anniversary. Likewise the 60th anniversary of Auschwitz's liberation was a much bigger event than the 50th anniversary. And even this year, on the 61st anniversary it got a lot of international media coverage. It's all a matter of political will. To his credit, the Polish president did lay a wreath at the Ghetto Uprising Monument and attracted Polish media attention today. But I'm surprised Jewish organisations, which are so vocal on other Holocaust issues, haven't gone out of their way to publicise this. After all these were real heroes, each and every one of them! The Americans remember the Alamo, the Brits the charge of the light brigade or even Dunkirk. If I were a Jew, I'd be exceedingly proud of the the 1943 Uprising.
  
  Cheers, Jozef
  
  PS: Today is the first anniversary of Josef Razinger's election as pope.

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  Posted by Jozef (U1330965) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  The Warsaw Ghetto Rising started today, on April 19th, 63 years ago. Anyone thought about it today? Was it mentioned in the media this morning or are there other, more important anniversaries? Is the liberation of Auschwitz more significant? Μύ
  
  
  
  Hiya Jozef,
  
  Greetings.
  
  Next Friday 28th April, Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ TV channel 2 is going to air a documentary entitled "Battle for Warshaw".
  
  It starts at 21.00hrs (our time).
  
  Do you in Poland have access to the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ channels?
  
  Actually the Warshaw uprising is shown quite frequently on some of the SKY channels especially on the History and Civilisation channel.
  
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  Dirk,
  
  'Battle for Warsaw' is probably about the 1944 Uprising and I've seen it. I know some of the people connected and even featured in the film very well indeed. Please watch it and let me know what you think. Be honest, I won't be offended if you don't like it, but I'd be very interested to know.
  
  Cheers, Jozef

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  Josef,yesterday our best news-channel(the 5th) dedicated the biggest part of its time to the Odessa-Brody-Plots'k issue....and Putin's agents in Poland who had bribed some of Polish officials to 'freeze' the Polish part of pipelines...that part which leading towards the Baltic sea.

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  Posted by Jozef (U1330965) on Wednesday, 19th April 2006

  Very interesting. First time I've heard about. Please tell me more.

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  Posted by Thomas_B (U1667093) on Thursday, 20th April 2006

  Hello Jozef,
  
  Thank you for your reply and what I ever liked to ask you is, what was your experiences in your life when the Solidarnosc movement grew stronger and led Poland to change their government?
  
  It would be intersting to read some thoughts from you if you like to discus it.
  
  Greetings
  
  Thomas

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 20th April 2006

  Hi Josef,
  the whole thing with these pipelines' affair looks like that....
  The Odessa-Brody-Plots'k was thought as the First real alternative source of gas&oil for Europe from Kasakhstan-Azerbaijan-Georgia- the bottom of the Black sea-Odessa-Poland to the Baltic sea in a roundabout way of the territory of Russia.When the Ukrainian part of pipelines was built.... then R.had forced Kuchma to fill it by the Russian oil .They even invented the special term for their trick-so-called 'reverse' to pump their oil to and fro within Russia and Ukraine....losing themselves from their trick $2,000,000,000 per year ....and saving the time for completing of their own famous project jointly with Germans to drive the R. pipelines from Siberia to the ...Baltic sea.....while some people are arguing about the issue of who should pay for the Polish part of Brody-Plots'k
  Some of the petty officials in Poland were involved (not without the help from these R. who run 'their job' on Gaz-Prom in Poland) into seeking the well-grounded 'objective obstacles' to start doing things at last.The facts which connected with these Polish officials have emerged very soon after the last presidential elections in Poland.
  
  Jack.
  
  

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  Posted by Giselle-Leah (U1725276) on Thursday, 20th April 2006

  Hi Jozef
  
  There was no mention about the Warsaw Ghetto Rising in any media today. Some anniversaries are most mentioned when it is 60 or 65 years ago. The liberation of Auschwitz is more significant here in Germany because it is an commemoration day since a few years. It is also the same with the Warsaw Rising in 1944 that became more attention by the media in 2004.
  
  I donΒ΄t know any other important historical anniversary for today. But maybe the people in Israel might remember the Warsaw Ghetto Rising.
  
  Greetings
  
  ThomasΜύ
  
  As far as I know, there certainly is one group of people in Israel who would be commemorating this event and that is the people of Kibbutz Lohamei HaGettaot - Kibbutz of Fighters of the Ghetto.
  
  I visited this kibbutz many years ago and was informed that the founder members were survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto and that this kibbutz and the kibbutz movement to which it is affiliated - Kibbutz Artzi - has a museum and a large educational programme on the Uprising and on Polish resistance generally. A google on Lohamei Hagettaot would I am sure result in some information for those who are interested.
  
  Leah

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  Posted by Giselle-Leah (U1725276) on Thursday, 20th April 2006

  Jews defending themselves with force for the first time since Massada. Europe still can't cope the idea. Europe is more interested in her own guilt and self-repentence.
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  I could not agree more with you. This is something that has been discussed in debates and seminars, as far as I've been told, for well over 40 years.

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