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Message 1.Β
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Saturday, 11th March 2006
Hi everyone,
I have tried to collect this info from several different sources. I hope we don't find out Al Queda can now do the nasty in an American or British port. If you need anymore sources let me know.
Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1/25/04 | Con Coughlin
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In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.
Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics - August 16, 2004
Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries.
"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).
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'Bush Was Right'
Posted 2/21/2006
WMD: The quote above is that of a former UNSCOM member after translating and reviewing 12 hours of taped conversations between Saddam Hussein and his aides. So what's on the covers of Time and Newsweek?
Funny thing about dictators and tyrants: Very often they are meticulous record keepers. The fall of the Third Reich, the Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein's Iraq all produced treasure troves of information. In Iraq's case, there were so many documents and records that even now only a small fraction have been translated and analyzed.
Among them are 12 hours of conversations from the early 1990s through 2000 between Hussein and his top advisers. They reveal, among other things, how Iraq was working on an advanced method of enriching uranium, how Iraq was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors regarding weapons of mass destruction and how these weapons might be used against the U.S.
The tapes were officially presented Sunday by former FBI translator Bill Tierney to a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts in Arlington, Va. Tierney is an Arabic speaker who worked in the mid-1990s for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the agency responsible for overseeing Iraq's disarmament.
On one of the tapes, made in 2000, two years after Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors, two Iraqi scientists can be heard briefing Hussein on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their work would have given Saddam the fissile material he needed to make a nuclear bomb.
Cheers, Matt. -
Message 2
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Monday, 13th March 2006
This may have got lost over the weekend. So (do forgive a one shot deal) a Monday morning bump.
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Message 3
Posted by wyn8126 (U2577714) on Monday, 13th March 2006
Quite frankly, I find this easy to accept.
However, bearing in mind the world wide rampant anti Americanism, I fear anything at all that stands to make Bush look correct will simply be ignored.
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Message 4
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
Matt,
There is no denying that Saddam DID have WMDs. He proved he had them by using them!!! All this
"There were never any WMDs" talk is rubbish, since if he never had any, then what did he hose Halabja with? What did he spray Iranian conscripts with in the Iran-Iraq war?
Saddam Hussein may be a murdering genocidal tyrant, but he ain't stupid. He knew that he could never win a conflict of arms with the US-led army which invaded back in 2003, and he knew full well that he couldn't admit to getting rid of his WMDs, this would cause him to lose face (a massive issue in Middle Eastern culture), so I would not be at all surprised if he did sell them to Syria (I doubt he'd trade them with Iran, they might throw them back at him because some mad Ayatollah said it was a good idea!
Saddam selling his chemical or bio-weapons to Syria is pretty common sense (after all, Iraq was run by the Ba'ath party, and Syria is also run by a Ba'ath party, so they have political similarities too). -
Message 5
Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
Hi there,
He had to have had them as he did use them (as DL pointed out) suprised though that as a last gasp he didn't use some stocks when we invaded the place (thank god he didn't though) even if this would have proved the US and UK correct it wouldn't have stopped the post-war insurrection from happening as this is totally seperate from the WMD cases.
Makes me wonder what we can do to find them whereever they are - reckon it'll be the case that when we go invade Syria or Iran they'll pop up in the battlefield ready for use and we'll be in bother if that's the case. -
Message 6
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
Hi DL,
It's great to see you back. Re WMD. That's just about the way I see it also. I would say he never sold them, just worked a mutual deal to hold on to them. Although he was burned by the Iranians with his Air force assets trying the same sort of thing.
When you were on active duty did you pay income taxes. Some guy told me the Brit Military is tax free?
Cheers, Matt. -
Message 7
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
the idea is of course quite plausible, and makes sense. thats why we gotta be wary of it. dont want to send off another army or two to do in syria when we are already overstretched. besides, could be bush trying to make himself look less stupid (how hell manage it is unfathomable, but he can try...)
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Message 8
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
No doubt you being so bright and all, I bet you could help him out
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Message 9
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
damn straight!
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Message 10
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
then again, anyone could help him out. if you play RTW or civilisation 2 you'd be qualified enough to help him
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Message 11
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
He could Google potomac.
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Message 12
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
but youre right here!
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Message 13
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Tuesday, 14th March 2006
id have to wait a good half hour to be able to google it!
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Message 14
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Wednesday, 15th March 2006
Matt,
Paid income tax unfortunately when overseas, the British Army considers its bases, wherever they are, to be British sovereign territory, so we all get to pay tax.. There were (not sure if there still are!) many little tax breaks though, such as tax free fuel, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, and all sorts of little perks available, such as LOA (Local overseas allowance) which was paid depending on where you were. This basically acted as a counter for any exchange rate changes, so you maintained your standard of living even if the pound fell in value (When the UK's currency crashed in the 90s, and they had to withdraw from the ERM, LOA was excellent-about Β£20 per day at one point!).
Interesting update on this, the female bio-chemist nicknamed Dr Germ who worked for Saddam went to university near here (UEA) and her tutor was sent to interview her regarding WMDs and she claims also that they were no longer in production long before 2003. But then again, is she to be trusted? -
Message 15
Posted by Buckskinz (U3036516) on Wednesday, 15th March 2006
Thanks for that info DL. About Mrs. Germ. I'm not even sure if she would be involved with a nuclear program. I think she was more on the Hazmat/Bio side of the house. As to her trustworthiness and ethics. I figure she would make an excellent used car dealer in Los Angeles.
Cheers Mate. -
Message 16
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Wednesday, 15th March 2006
PMSL!!!!
Agreed, a highly erm.. reliable witness if ever there was one.
allegedly.
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