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Germany's failure........ Hitler's fault????

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  Posted by cavanhomebird (U3355764) on Monday, 6th March 2006

  Consider the view that Hitler's mistakes, rather than the actions of the allies, led to Germany losing the war?????????????

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  Posted by FEC (U2276153) on Tuesday, 7th March 2006

  damn true. barbarossa's execution was bad. but the Nazi-Soviet pact was a huge boon to the German economy until Hitler turned on Stalin. Stalin was providing rubber, oil, steel, etc etc etc to the German war machine. The pact rendered the Naval blockade impotent. Hitler should not have left Britain undefeated.

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  Posted by Balanchine (U3177050) on Tuesday, 7th March 2006

  I think that elements of the intelligence services came to the view that assasination of Hitler might be counter productive as they did see his interference in all aspects of military matters be it on strategic levels or trying to control individual regiments as a distinct advantage to the Allies. The fact Hitler was at war with his own General Staff made the competant running of the war almost impossible. Take him out of the equation and the possibility could have arose that the Wehrmacht could have become more effective.

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  Posted by jane (U1272878) on Friday, 10th March 2006

  Hitler seemed to be a true meglamaniac -power at all costs, but l think he was more than this. His evil racial theories and also his powers of persuasion on a weakened German population must ultimately have led to Germanys downfall. I am sure not everyone agreed with him, but many did and therefore some would say that Germany and her allies got what they deserved at that time.Take out of this equation-as in every country-the innocent ones, especially the children-and our hopes that they might learn from this and be more responsible, better educated citizens than some people were then.

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  Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 10th March 2006

  Germany got from the USSR between 1939 and 1941 more materials then it ever recovered from the USSR excl. cattle during the years 1941-1944.
  
  The only difference was that between '39-41 and '41-'44 Germany didn't give anything in return other than lead, dead soldiers and broken down tanks.
  
  However I truly believe that if Hitler had let his General's general and had made provisions for total war in 1940 and let the war happen as planned in 1942/3 we'd be speaking German right now.

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  Posted by donkei (U1801634) on Friday, 10th March 2006

  Adolf Hitler was the allies' secret weapon in WW2.
  
  When he made his fateful decision (in 1940)to invade Russia (in 1941) Adolf Hitler effectively sealed his own fate and that of the Third Reich. Outline plans were being drawn up from the early summer of 1940. Up until then things had gone Hitler's way. The faith he had seemed to put in his military commanders in Poland and then in Holland, Belgium and France seemed well placed. What was to stop him rolling on into Britain?
  
  The English Channel.
  
  By the 17th of September 1940 his Generals and Admirals had failed to come up with a workable invasion plan, let alone agree about it. Worse, Goering, partly through his own incompetence in managing the Luftwaffe and partly through the sterling resistance of RAF Fighter Command had failed to deliver the promised air superiority over Britain.
  
  This, I believe was the crucial turning point for Hitler. With a paranoid personality he would have found it very difficult to put his trust in any of his senior military commanders thereafter. This failure to deliver, indeed this breach of promise would have been seen by him as no less than a betrayal. But he had no other counsel to fall back on than himself and he was not a skilled general. From then on he trusted his own limited grasp of military matters more than that of his skilled advisors. He based his decisions more on his political ideology and strategic dreams than on reality.
  
  Furthermore he had placed himself beyond sane and rational counsel so that he could not be argued with. Goering and other Nazi leaders modelled their style on his and were equally unapproachable and hence the professional military elite were rendered largely impotent.
  
  When he launched Barbarossa on 22nd June 1941, Hitler set the Third Reich on a collision course with destiny. When he declared war on the USA in December, Adolf Hitler sealed its fate.

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  Posted by FEC (U2276153) on Saturday, 11th March 2006

  Germany got from the USSR between 1939 and 1941 more materials then it ever recovered from the USSR excl. cattle during the years 1941-1944.
  
  The only difference was that between '39-41 and '41-'44 Germany didn't give anything in return other than lead, dead soldiers and broken down tanks.
  
  However I truly believe that if Hitler had let his General's general and had made provisions for total war in 1940 and let the war happen as planned in 1942/3 we'd be speaking German right now.Β 
  
  Well, without Hitler, would the generals have invaded Russia at all? All they needed was the faintest trace of Bismarckian realpolitik to decide not to bother. Let alone declare war on America. They already controlled the rest of continental Europe, and had done so at a wonderfully minimal cost, considering. They should, as we all know, have thrown all their weight into battering us into submission. Us having no realistic chance of defeating Germany alone, we surely would have had to negotiate sooner or later.
  
  Moreover, there was probably no prospect of Stalin attacking Germany in the short to medium term- evidence such as his unwillingness to face up to the Nazi threat supporting this.
  
  I think German generals' instinct would have been to quit while they were ahead. While Hitler's early strategy in the war was haphazard and opportunistic, he always seemed to have this idea of a final showdown between Slavs and Germans- a war of extermination- in his mind. His earlier conquests were merely stepping stones toward the invasion of Russia- means to that end. But, if you stop for only a second to think, you'd probably come to the conclusion that domination of Western Europe is a pretty decent end in itself.

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  Posted by uberaznspy (U3462681) on Monday, 13th March 2006

  the lufftwaffe bombed the RAF and hitler wudda won if he kept bombing the RAF airfields for 1 more day but he ordered the german force to bomb london then only a few RAF planes got up and totally owned germany cos hitler is a noob

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