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Is this the right to do?

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  Posted by Dirk Marinus (U1648073) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  The Mayor of the Dutch city Venray, Mr J Waals, has stopped a extreme right organisation calling itself" Blood &Honour" from laying a wreath on the German Army's War Cementry in Ysselstein during a remembrance ceremony.
  
  This laying of the wreath would have taken place on Saturday 4th March
  
  Just out of interest was he right in doing so?
  
  What would be your reaction if someone ,somewhere would stop the laying of a wreath in a British War cementry, especially if one of your relatives was resting in that place what so many times is called a bit of Britain.
  
  It just could happen you know.
  
  

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  Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  Hi there,
  
  I think he was wrong - I know that might be controversial but I think that anyone should be able to honour it's dead - I know people might say that "neo-nazi's" and the like shouldn't be able to do it but when you think we honour men of the 36th Ulster Division and many of those were in the old UVF and many of their decendants formed the modern day UVF.
  
  Also it sets a bad precident in that German's of all persuasions will might be tempted to honour all veterans i.e Waffen-SS men in the same light as Wehrmacht troops (I know the historical controversy surrounding complicity in massacres that has emerged re: Wehrmacht soldiers) but in most cases the average German soldier wouldn't have killed say a Jew whereas the Waffen SS soldier probably would have.
  
  What might not be so controversial would be if Eastern European nations stopped these people from honouring the dead. But I know in Latvia and Estonia their SS veterans often aly wreaths of rememberance because they look at thewir Waffen SS soldiers as those who fought Communism.

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  Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  Dirk,
  
  In my opinion he is wrong. I do have several concerns but if all this organisation wants to do is lay a wreath then I have to say they should be allowed.
  
  AA.
  
  

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  Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  they should be allowed to lay a wreath in theory, but were they Germans? were they representatives of the units buried in the Grave yard?
  
  If this is just a right wing dutch organisation then maybe no they had no moral or other right to the laying of a wreath at the monument.
  
  I suppose a consideration must also be in what manner were they planing on laying the wreath? a quiet dignifed ceremony? or a loud brash right wing rally culminating with a laying of the wreath and then a political speach aimed at causing grief and mischief?

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  Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  Richie,
  
  You have voiced some of my "concerns" in a much better way than I could have.
  
  Cheers AA.

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  Posted by Dirk Marinus (U1648073) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  they should be allowed to lay a wreath in theory, but were they Germans? were they representatives of the units buried in the Grave yard?
  
  If this is just a right wing dutch organisation then maybe no they had no moral or other right to the laying of a wreath at the monument.
  
  I suppose a consideration must also be in what manner were they planing on laying the wreath? a quiet dignifed ceremony? or a loud brash right wing rally culminating with a laying of the wreath and then a political speach aimed at causing grief and mischief?Μύ
  
  
  
  
  Richie and also AA,
  
  
  It seems that the City's mayor thought that there was a possibility of another group called AFA (Anti Fascist Action) was going to cause problems if the wreath laying ceremony had been allowed to take place.
  
  

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  Posted by Grand Falcon Railroad (U3267675) on Friday, 3rd March 2006

  Hi guys,
  
  although I really am not trying to provoke anyone by saying this but do you think that if this ceremony had been carried out (or attempted to have been) by some group like the AFA then the meeting would have went ahead regardless of whether or not a right-wing group turned up?
  
  It seems to me we give license to loads of left-wing or extremist type organisations like anti-WTO marchers but if anyone even remotely connected to the right-wing wants to do anything then all hell breaks loose and they are daubbed with wanting to recreate the third reich.
  
  Maybe the town's mayor has something to hide like his ancestors not being the heroic resistance fighters he made them out to be.
  
  Sorry to rant and I hope that people remember that if they are remembering their dead Waffen SS relatives what they might have did but I think it's going too far.
  
  The only time I had problems in Germany a while back the police thought I was some left wing hooligan and of course I barely (and to my shame) don't speak German and didn't know what the hell they were going on about 'til a German friend sorted it out.

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  Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 4th March 2006

  
  Richie and also AA,
  
  
  It seems that the City's mayor thought that there was a possibility of another group called AFA (Anti Fascist Action) was going to cause problems if the wreath laying ceremony had been allowed to take place.
  
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  Ah, yes the two do quite often go together and never do they mix well.

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