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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Coming in a mess, going out in style (U2955596) on Saturday, 14th January 2006
In history class, we are learning about countries in the Middle East and the way they view the US. Their opinions upset me. They see all the American celebrities (good and bad) and our president and automatically assume that every American is like them and that we are evil. I was just wondering what you guys in the UK and other European countries feel about America and its people.
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Message 2
Posted by Ijeomaodigwe (U2790958) on Saturday, 14th January 2006
I am in America and I agree with u. Just because they hate presidetn Bush does not mean they have to attck the world trade center. That was just attacking innocent people who ahd nothing to do with bush. If they want to kill bush they can go ahead i am a democrat and I support them 100%.
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Message 3
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Saturday, 14th January 2006
Amelikan peepils numbah 10. down down boosh down down boosh.
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Message 4
Posted by colonelblimp (U1705702) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
I Just because they hate presidetn Bush does not mean they have to attck the world trade center. That was just attacking innocent people who ahd nothing to do with bush.Ìý
You're absolutely right. The thing is, there are plenty of people in Iraq who are now saying about America: "Just because they hate President Saddam does not mean they had to bomb my house.". There are people in the village of Damadola this morning saying "Just because they hate Ayman al-Zawahri does not mean they have to violate my country's sovereignty, flatten my home and kill my family.". And for decades there have been people in the Middle East saying "Just because they support Israel, my home has been taken away from me, my relatives have been killed and my dignity trampled on." You see, ljeomaodigwe, those people in the Middle East (and elsewhere) feel just the same way about America's attacks on them as you do about the attack on the World Trade Centre. Both were equally unjust. -
Message 5
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
posted by Coming in a mess, going out in style,
I have been to the states many times and I have come across some of the most friendly enlightened people I have had the privilege to meet. On the same trips I've come across some of the most brain dead, selfish, arrogant, obnoxious inward looking people – Pretty much like here…. In short it's the same everywhere. We have good and bad people, the same as every country I've come across.
I think the states and it's citizens come for some fair and unfair bad press.
Your foreign policy is awful, yet your generosity to foreign countries is second to none. Your food is awful, yet you have managed to export the Americanised version of European staples (Pizza, Hamburgers and hot dogs) worldwide.
Many Americans seem to think they have the right to impose their opinion on the world without little knowledge of the real situation or the will of the citizens of these countries i.e. Northern Ireland, Nicaragua. But in the same sense, we in Great Britain have done that for the preceding two centuries.
Basically, when you're on top of the pile, there will be those what have a pop at you for right or wrong... We had it for a few centuries you're having it now.
Your citizens are not the same as your government, but internationally, the government that US Citizens have voted for represents them abroad, so looking at it from that prospective, the view of some regarding America is easier to understand. -
Message 6
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Mani,
Excellent, my view entirely. (Except that I don't think American food is awful, it's just that there is lots of it.)
I like going to America as in my visits to the mid west I look slim.
I'll also admit that anyone who says that Americans don't get irony hasn't seen a WWE event.
On the downside, your beer is not the best.
Cheers AA. -
Message 7
Posted by Lord Ball (U1767246) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
We think a majority of you are pretty ignorant of the outside world. I was in America recently and a man who looked about 40 was very confused about what the UK was and where it was in the world.
Also, I agree with Mani that your foreign policy is awful. It might work if your military were just slightly more tactful. The former British Commander of the Forces in Basra, who had to work with the USA in Iraq, recently came out and said that the US Army's approach was insensitive and bordering on institutionalized racism. If the American military paid more attention to the Hearts and Mind Strategy that the British Army perfected brilliantly in the decline of the Empire and the numerous nasty little insurgencies that sprang up because of it, maybe the Iraqi insurgency would not be so bad. -
Message 8
Posted by Coming in a mess, going out in style (U2955596) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Thanks for all the posts. It really helps.
I was thinking about our US government, as Nani had brought the idea into my mind, and I think that nowadays there are less choices for us when it comes to voting for a president. Today, the choices are based on who has the most money to run, so I feel that we do not have access to many choices for leaders; therefore we have to choose the best out of the terrible canidates who have the money and resources to run. I see it as being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have talked to a few people who can vote, since I cannot (I am far too young), and they said that they didn't really like either canidate (Bush or Kerry) very much. So America did vote for Bush to represent us internationally, but there weren't many others for us to choose from. -
Message 9
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
AA,
"On the downside, your beer is not the best." Understatement of the year so far... I think even Expat would admit that
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Message 10
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
down down budweiser down down boosh
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Message 11
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
expat32,
down down budweiser down down booshÌý
I'm sorry but you'll have to explain "down down budweiser down down boosh" to us uneducated Brits.
Mani, well thank you most kindly, I like to think I do a good understatement. (And American beer is not the best, although all beer is good!).
Cheers AA.
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Message 12
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Miller light, somebody's done the impossible... Just when we thought Miller couldn't get any lighter!
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Message 13
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
AA,
I prefer the saying "All Ale is good, some are just better than others..." -
Message 14
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Mani,
Quite correct.
Cheers AA.
P.S. I am still working on comparitive Chemical Warfare figures.
AA. -
Message 15
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Thats it Arnald. I shall consult with DL in an effort to give you this weeks silly sausage award.
boosh, Bush
budweiser is the most popular American beer.
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Message 16
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Hi Mani,
Yup, the beer sux. I drink Fosters.
Cheers. -
Message 17
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Thats it Arnald. I shall consult with DL in an effort to give you this weeks silly sausage award.Ìý
expat32, I shall put the award into my trophy cabinet together with the wooden spoon awarded to me by alan patten as amongst my most treasured possesions.
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boosh, Bush
budweiser is the most popular American beer.Ìý
I'll re read, Budweiser is a very popular beer although a pale imitation of the real Czech one.
Cheers AA. -
Message 18
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
expat32,
I think we've reached the bottom of the barrel as regards informed debate.
Cheers AA. -
Message 19
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
expat32,
I think we've reached the bottom of the barrel as regards informed debate.
Cheers AA.Ìý
There goes my post on mince n tatties I guess. -
Message 20
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Haggis and Neeps,
now there's a dish.
Okay, my own favourite is Tripes and Onions.
Cheers AA. -
Message 21
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Arnald,
I remember when I was a kid you could get a Haggis and chips at the local chip shop. The Haggis was thick and about 7 or so inches long. Then it was deep fried in lard. They were delicous, I have never had the courage to try one since. When I am there on vacation I gain about 2lbs just walking past the chip shop.
Cheers, Matt. -
Message 22
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Sunday, 15th January 2006
Matt,
Droooool, lard, deep fried, haggis.
Top food, I can just feel my arteries hardening.
Go for it, it may counteract the effects of the "beer" you drink.
You never know?
Cheers AA. -
Message 23
Posted by kennyr (U2647470) on Monday, 16th January 2006
What I do not like is when you ask an American where they are from, they say the State, assuming you know its the city, and like they are talking to a fellow American.
I wouldnt meet an American and say "I'm from East Anglia." -
Message 24
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Monday, 16th January 2006
What I do not like is when you ask an American where they are from, they say the State, assuming you know its the city, and like they are talking to a fellow American.
I wouldnt meet an American and say "I'm from East Anglia."Ìý
But you might say you're from England. -
Message 25
Posted by wollemi (U2318584) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Thanks for all the posts. It really helps.
I was thinking about our US government, as Nani had brought the idea into my mind, and I think that nowadays there are less choices for us when it comes to voting for a president. Today, the choices are based on who has the most money to run, so I feel that we do not have access to many choices for leaders; therefore we have to choose the best out of the terrible canidates who have the money and resources to run. I see it as being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have talked to a few people who can vote, since I cannot (I am far too young), and they said that they didn't really like either canidate (Bush or Kerry) very much. So America did vote for Bush to represent us internationally, but there weren't many others for us to choose from.Ìý
I take it you're talking about campaign finance and the long running issue of campaign finance reform
I can't say I fully grasp the difficulties and maybe someone can cast a little more light but as I understand..
it's about 'soft money' which is unrecorded and is supposed to be donated to political parties to eg get people to register and vote. Instead it can end up financing a particular candidate. This can result in certain powerful wealthy lobby groups 'buying' a candidate to promote a certain policy. .
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Message 26
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Thats it Arnald. I shall consult with DL in an effort to give you this weeks silly sausage award.
boosh, Bush
budweiser is the most popular American beer.Ìý
Sorry Matt, and AA!
The Silly Sausage award has already been allocated to Deansey, for posting A4 length pages of blank space.
PS.
Down with Boosh too!! -
Message 27
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Thanks for all the posts. It really helps.
I was thinking about our US government, as Nani had brought the idea into my mind, and I think that nowadays there are less choices for us when it comes to voting for a president. Today, the choices are based on who has the most money to run, so I feel that we do not have access to many choices for leaders; therefore we have to choose the best out of the terrible canidates who have the money and resources to run. I see it as being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have talked to a few people who can vote, since I cannot (I am far too young), and they said that they didn't really like either canidate (Bush or Kerry) very much. So America did vote for Bush to represent us internationally, but there weren't many others for us to choose from.Ìý
That's pretty much spot on from my point of view.
The American people are not "evil" as many in the world will have us believe. American society is somewhat insular, and this does come across as ignorance to many non-Americans. A prime example would be the irritating fact that US news reporters have to describe places as "Paris, France", or "Rome, Italy", or "London, England". No one else in the world does this, and it portrays subconsciously that the intended viewer has no idea which country the city is in! Not a positive start. Then we come to sports. In Britain, our most popular sport is football, so we have various national competitions and leagues. In the US, you have baseball, and the US championship is called the "WORLD series", and the winners of the superbowl are the "World champions". This is not only incorrect, since the correct terminology would be National series or National champions, it again portrays massive ignorance and arrogance.
Then we come to US politics. It really does appear that the President is elected based on how many millions are spent of advertising. This for me says that democracy has been sold out to the mighty dollar. More a hypocracy than a democracy.
On the whole, Americans are no different than people in any other country. THere are good ones, and bad ones, and most of them are too busy getting on with their lives to go and change anything, just like every other nation.
The US is the world's only superpower at the moment, and as it has no rivals, its ruling elite seem to think that they have the right to act any way they choose in any part of the world. Sadly, no one is powerful enough to tell them otherwise. Bush's government is one which IMO is riddled with big busines, corruption and jobs for the boys. Just like most other governments in the world.
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Message 28
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Hi DL,
prime example would be the irritating fact that US news reporters have to describe places as "Paris, France", or "Rome, Italy", or "London, England"
I think it's down to the fact that there is a London, Paris etc in the states also. I had much the same in Canada (When going to London, Ontario)... When we say Paris, we automatically mean the Hovel in France because it's more associative to us, where as in the states, Paris, Texas may be more so.
"In the US, you have baseball, and the US championship is called the "WORLD series"" Indeed that is Amusing, although there are teams from Canada, so maybe a renaming should be 'North American championship'? I can't really see it getting any further as frankly it's the most boring sport I've ever seen.... -
Message 29
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Arnald,
I remember when I was a kid you could get a Haggis and chips at the local chip shop. The Haggis was thick and about 7 or so inches long. Then it was deep fried in lard. They were delicous, I have never had the courage to try one since. When I am there on vacation I gain about 2lbs just walking past the chip shop.
Cheers, Matt.Ìý
Matt,
How long have you been out of Jockland? Haggis is a fine meal! Can you get it state side?
I've had this conversation with Yanks many times re Haggis, Black Pudding, Offal or Organ meat in General... Why do you have such a negative view of it? It's some of the nest stuff? -
Message 30
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Hiya Mani,
A few Americans will eat liver, but kidneys no way. For some reason Chicken livers do ok. Most of that stuff goes into pet food and ethnic cuisine. Black pudding is what we call blood sausage, it’s not popular because it’s in your face. Like for instance, Liver, Kidneys, Heart, it’s too descriptive I guess. Americans don't eat Rabbit because it’s a Rodent, and over here the Easter Bunny is a big deal.
Many Americans find that British food is a big joke. We say everything is boiled in the UK. I have never heard of a British restaurant. In this part of the country it’s all BBQ and Mexican influenced cuisine. Tex/Mex.
When I tell Americans that Europeans eat Horses many don't believe me. Myself I love Greek food, but Greek food outside of Greece is second rate.
Cheers Matt. -
Message 31
Posted by Mike Alexander (U1706714) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Miller light, somebody's done the impossible... Just when we thought Miller couldn't get any lighter!Ìý
Q. What's the connection between Miller Lite and sex in the back of a canoe?
A. They're both f___ing close to water! -
Message 32
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Matt,
What about Hare? You can't beat a bit of Jugged hare (Jack Rabbit??)....
If yanks don't eat Blood Sausage, they're missing out big time! I heard the Cajuns are pretty big on Blood sausage?
Steak and Kidney pie, is there anything finer in this world?
Internationally, British food doesn't have a good reputation, but I feel it's unfounded, we have great food, great restaurants. On last years world's top 50 restaurants, we had more than any other country... The Fat Duck in Bray was voted the world's best, it was the French Laundry outside San Francisco the previous year.
I wouldn't say Europeans eat Horse, just the French...
Mexican food is outstanding! -
Message 33
Posted by Lord Ball (U1767246) on Monday, 16th January 2006
Just to let anyone who thinks that the name of the World Series is a sign of American arrogance, it was actually because the newspaper that set it up was the World. The shortened name of the "World Series" has stuck.
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Message 34
Posted by Michal_the_curious (U2948103) on Monday, 16th January 2006
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I'll re read, Budweiser is a very popular beer although a pale imitation of the real Czech one.
Cheers AA.</quote>
I have never tasted the US one, but I drink the real Budweiser quite often, and there is only one beer, which I would prefer if the prices were the same: Guiness.
Although I have to admit, it is a different league...
What is the best British beer? Maybe I can get it here in the Czech Rep. and compare it... -
Message 35
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 16th January 2006
DL,
This is only the towns and cities named Paris in Texas.
Cheers, Matt.
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Message 36
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 16th January 2006
DL,
Not only Tx, but you get the idea . -
Message 37
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Michal_the_curious
What is the best British beer? Maybe I can get it here in the Czech Rep. and compare it...
I think we’re more famous for our Ales than our Lagers (they have no gas, much like Guinness stout)There are hundreds that I’ve had and loved, most are regional ales though. At my old University Pub, there were 17 hand-drawn ales on at any given time, the challenge was to start on the left of the bar, and work your way to the right through all 17.
My personal favourites that are easy to come by are Theakston’s Old Pekuliar, Old Speckled Hen… -
Message 38
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Michal,
You'd be much better sticking to Czech beer, it wipes the floor with British stuff and indeed most other countries' produce! Well, maybe German stuff has a good go at it!
Cheers -
Message 39
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
DL,
I'd agree with you re Lager, but Ale? No other country comes close to us. Even the Irish nicked our stout and try to claim it as their own... -
Message 40
Posted by Elistan (U1872011) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Hey Mani,
'Extra' Stout Porter, if you don't mind. The 'Extra' is the all important development that allows one to continue drinking way beyond practical consumption without trying to bash your mate around the head with a pool cue, as seems to be the natural outcome of over-consumption of English Ale.
Elistan -
Message 41
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Elistan,
Fair point, although I think it's over consumption of 'The Belgian Lady' aka Miss Stella Artois that causes much of the bother.... -
Message 42
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Sorry guys,
I'm showing a bit of bias here! Can't stand "ale"! Bitter, stout, mild, whatever, can't stick the stuff. Even as an expat Sheffielder, I didn't care one jot when "Wards", Sheffield's own home grown slop went to the wall! Give me a good Bitburger or a particularly cloudy German Weissbier anyday!
Cheers
DL -
Message 43
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Come on DL, you're a Yorkie and you don't drink Ale?
You're going to tell me now you don't sing 'On Ilkley Moor b’ah t’at' on the way home from the Pub? -
Message 44
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
No chance of that mate!
Never seen Ilkley moor, and don't know the words! I consider myself a Sheffielder first (from the Red and White half of town), and Yorkshireman second! Ilkley is a long way from Sheffield (I think), and I have no affiliation to it!!
AA might be your man for this one, I gather he is from more northerly parts of the county!
Cheers -
Message 45
Posted by DL (U1683040) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Forgot to add,
I prefer red wine to beer or ale these days, sorry Mani, I've been darn sarf too long! Well, that and my stomach just doesn't like beer anymore. Too many late nights in the Mess bar (and the NAAFI before that!) I reckon.
Cheers -
Message 46
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
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Message 47
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Forgot to add,
I prefer red wine to beer or ale these days, sorry Mani, I've been darn sarf too long! Well, that and my stomach just doesn't like beer anymore. Too many late nights in the Mess bar (and the NAAFI before that!) I reckon.
CheersÌý
DL,
Know that all too well. I can't sink them like I used to. I tell myself that the quality of the Ale isn't as good anymore, hence the hangovers. I think living in denial is an apt description.... I'm just getting too old for all that! -
Message 48
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
D'oh! Senior moment!
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Message 49
Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
.... And the only words I know are 'Where as thee been since I saw Thee" Then something about Worms eating your corpse, birds eating t'worms, us eating Birds, us eating thee.
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Message 50
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Tuesday, 17th January 2006
Best beers? Have to go with the Czech beers, and I mean the ones you get there in the Czech Republic. Fantastic stuff. Unfortunately like a lot of beers it doesn't travel that well so what we get in the UK is not the same - pretty much the same as with Guinness in England, doesn't compare to what you get in Dublin!
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