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Ghosts of York------9th legion burial site?

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  Posted by Mystic_Tegz (U2812727) on Thursday, 22nd December 2005

  Hi there, I'm new here and I was wondering if someone could help me out. I would like to know if there is any history surrounding the A1237 Bypass in York. Last night myself and my friend encounter alot of angry spirits that were complaining that we were trepassing on their land. These spirits were not modern but more of the roman-medieviel times. They seem to target myself more but that could be because I have Dutch and Welsh blood in me......Could this be the lost 9th legion's burial site?!

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  Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Thursday, 22nd December 2005

  Didn't the 9th march north, and where never seen again. I know people have seen legions marching through York. Oh my father and his whole unit saw ghosts in 1944. They had advanced eastward from Normandy, then camped in a field. It turned out to be Waterloo.

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  Posted by STUDDLY (U2798535) on Thursday, 22nd December 2005

  Not a clue mate,
  
  But can you tell me where you got that booze from as I could do with some for christmas!!!!

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  Posted by Dirk Marinus (U1648073) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  Hi there, I'm new here and I was wondering if someone could help me out. I would like to know if there is any history surrounding the A1237 Bypass in York. Last night myself and my friend encounter alot of angry spirits that were complaining that we were trepassing on their land. These spirits were not modern but more of the roman-medieviel times. They seem to target myself more but that could be because I have Dutch and Welsh blood in me......Could this be the lost 9th legion's burial site?!Β 
  
  
  
  
  
  In 1953, the then 18 year old apprentice plumber, Harry Martindale was working to install a central heating in the Treasurer's House in York.
  He was knocking a hole in the ceiling when a Roman soldier stepped out of the wall. Mr Martindale did not realize at the time that his ladder was standing on the course of an old Roman road.
  Quoted below is what Mr Martindale described later:
  
  " I heard a sound like the sound of a musical note just like a trumpet blaring out, no tune but just a blare. At the same time a figure came out of the wall. I now became very terrified and fell of the ladder and scrambled into the corner and from there got a view of what the figure was. It was the head of a Roman soldier.
  The figure crossed t he room at a slight angle and disappeared into the opposite wall. It was followed by another Roman soldier on horseback and behind the horse Roman soldiers in twos, walking side by side. Although I was in no fit state to count I think there were between 12 and 20"
  
  Mr Martindale had much more to add to the story ,but due to word restriction I cannot mentioned it all on this post.
  
  What is known is that evetually Mr Martindale collapsed of fright and was found by the museum curator .
  It was the curator himself who related that he himself had seen the apparition of Roman soldiers marching through the wall seven years earlier.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  Could this be the lost 9th legion's burial site?!Β 
  
  Alas no - we now no that the 'lost legion' was never lost at all.

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  Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  now KNOW, that is!

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  The 9th were smashed up in fighting in Cumbria I think. York was however, the main garrison ion the north.
  
  The place in York is supposed to have Roman soldiers, but their feet can't be seen as the road was lower then. On the Waterloo story, there are tales of ghosts out by Norman Cross near Peterborough where there was a Nap wars prison camp.

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  Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  The Ninth were twice suposedly destroyed - once during Boudica's Rebellion, and later during Agricola's Campaigns in the North. On the first occasion, however, sources outside Tacitus (who is the source for both destructions) demonstrate that no more that 2000 out of a strength of 5 - 6 thousand could have been involved.
  
  Again for the Agricolan incident, the Legion had been divided into thirds, and was noteably under strength at the time in any case.
  
  The legend of the lost legion arises from historians reading Tacitus at face value and out of context. Ultimately it was lost - or least vanishes from the record - but in Judaea rather than Britain.

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  Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  Incidentally, there was some discussion on the Roman Army Talk forums and they decided the ghosts were probably of auxiliaries (non-citizen soldiers). They founmd the fact that the tunic colour was reported as green the most interesting part - what, if any, standard colour was used for Roman military tunics is one of the most vexed questions in ancient history.

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  Posted by Mike Alexander (U1706714) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  The 9th were smashed up in fighting in Cumbria I think. York was however, the main garrison ion the north.
  
  ... but their feet can't be seen as the road was lower then... Β 
  
  I've always find this aspect of ghost reports rather puzzling. The earth is constantly moving through space, so why should a few feet of earth (relative to, presumably, the earth's centre of gravity) make any difference? Surely one could equally expect to see ghosts 300 feet in the air etc?

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  Posted by Grumpyfred (U2228930) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  But they are. How many stories have you heard of of ghost aircraft Derbyshire has reports of hundreds of ghost aircraft. Mountain rescue and police teams have been turned out many times to aircraft crashes, only to find nothing
  

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  Posted by DANNY-FRANKS (U2186615) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  Fascinating story....by the way David Gemmell wrote a book called Ghost King I think which was about the lost 9th legion in Britain - a really good one mixing history and fantasy.
  
  I personally have never seen a ghost but don't doubt their existence. Weird stuff!

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Friday, 23rd December 2005

  I incline to the view that there is some kind of "taping" going on in solid structures, which plays back under certain atmospheric conditions. That would also account for the "ghosts" being at the contemporary level.

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  Posted by Tim of Acleah (U1736633) on Monday, 26th December 2005

  Ther is no positive evidence that the 9th was ever lost, or at least there was not when I was at University. The idea arose from them disapearing from records in Britain and not appearing anywhere else. In fact they were actually moved to the Rhine. some friends of mione were so sold on the idea of them being wiped out in the North that they even thought the Romans had fabricated the records to cover up their defeat!
  
  

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  Posted by Eliza6Beth (U2637732) on Monday, 26th December 2005

  Ghosts could be time shifts.
  
  Eliza.

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