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Message 1.Â
Posted by Nufc navanâ„¢ (U2185802) on Friday, 16th December 2005
that st.patrick is the only patron saint of any of the british isles countries to have actually have been in the country that they are the patron saint of? i find that hard to believe.how can they be patron saints if they did nothing for your country?
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Message 2
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Friday, 16th December 2005
Nufc,
I think you are confusing modern attitudes with the history of religious beliefs to a certain extent. As some one pointed out to me St. Barbara is the Patron Saint of Artillery (amongst others)! (I'm not quite sure what she did or didn't do to earn this particular honour).
If you find that Patron Saints can be Patron Saints without ever having been in the country hard to believe then I suggest you study the Crusades.
That may put in in context.
Cheers AA. -
Message 3
Posted by Plancenoit (U1237957) on Friday, 16th December 2005
'St' Patrick was a British born, English/Welsh son of a noble family who went to the wild island of Eire to try to convince them that the Romano-British weren't so bad after all, and it would be mutually beneficial to have a bit of dialogue and trade. He was 'Patrick' purely because he was of the patrician class, and he became a saint because he benefitted the policy of the Roman church, at that time.
Personally, I think they should have done what they did with everyone else and imposed stability militarily. That way, Ireland would now be up to speed with the rest of Europe, instead of still killing their chickens to cure a family ailment. Think about it. -
Message 4
Posted by Nufc navanâ„¢ (U2185802) on Friday, 16th December 2005
'St' Patrick was a British born, English/Welsh son of a noble family who went to the wild island of Eire to try to convince them that the Romano-British weren't so bad after all, and it would be mutually beneficial to have a bit of dialogue and trade. He was 'Patrick' purely because he was of the patrician class, and he became a saint because he benefitted the policy of the Roman church, at that time.
Personally, I think they should have done what they did with everyone else and imposed stability militarily. That way, Ireland would now be up to speed with the rest of Europe, instead of still killing their chickens to cure a family ailment. Think about it. Â killing chickens? im from ireland and i have never heard of that.Patrick was sent back to ireland by the pope because mainland europe at the time was in turmoil and several wars took place across the land so he sent him to ireland to keep the christian message alive in a country that at the time was not at war -
Message 5
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Friday, 16th December 2005
'St' Patrick was a British born, English/Welsh son of a noble family who went to the wild island of Eire to try to convince them that the Romano-British weren't so bad after all, and it would be mutually beneficial to have a bit of dialogue and trade. He was 'Patrick' purely because he was of the patrician class, and he became a saint because he benefitted the policy of the Roman church, at that time.
Personally, I think they should have done what they did with everyone else and imposed stability militarily. That way, Ireland would now be up to speed with the rest of Europe, instead of still killing their chickens to cure a family ailment. Think about it. Â
actually patrick was (according to my source-i finally got to say that, its so cool!)called summat else, then while he was wanderin europe n' pilgrimmin' he decided to rename himself patricius-which the celts in ireland took as patrick. -
Message 6
Posted by Jozef (U1330965) on Friday, 16th December 2005
Poland has actually more than one patron saint, one at least was local, and another one was from just across the border (Bishop of Prague) who came to a sticky end trying convert some pagan Ancient Prussians round Gdansk's way. But although Poles are supposed to be ultra Catholic, few actually know that. However, what every Pole knows is that the Virgin Mary is the Queen of Poland. And that's pretty useful, especially when you get crap presidents, prime ministers and governments as we've frequently done.
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Message 7
Posted by Nufc navanâ„¢ (U2185802) on Friday, 16th December 2005
'St' Patrick was a British born, English/Welsh son of a noble family who went to the wild island of Eire to try to convince them that the Romano-British weren't so bad after all, and it would be mutually beneficial to have a bit of dialogue and trade. He was 'Patrick' purely because he was of the patrician class, and he became a saint because he benefitted the policy of the Roman church, at that time.
Personally, I think they should have done what they did with everyone else and imposed stability militarily. That way, Ireland would now be up to speed with the rest of Europe, instead of still killing their chickens to cure a family ailment. Think about it. Â
actually patrick was (according to my source-i finally got to say that, its so cool!)called summat else, then while he was wanderin europe n' pilgrimmin' he decided to rename himself patricius-which the celts in ireland took as patrick. patricius was a totally different person! some people think they're the same person but they have found written evidence that they are not -
Message 8
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Friday, 16th December 2005
That way, Ireland would now be up to speed with the rest of Europe, instead of still killing their chickens to cure a family ailment. Think about it. Â
Placenoit,
You mean that cure doesn't work! I've been killing family members to cure my Chickens ailments!
Cheers AA. -
Message 9
Posted by arnaldalmaric (U1756653) on Friday, 16th December 2005
This was a joke, obviously I don't kill my family.
Chers AA. -
Message 10
Posted by Plancenoit (U1237957) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
I can't believe I wrote that nonsense. When I wrote it, it made perfect sense, but I did have a little help from Stella Artois.
As for the chickens, I haven't got the faintest idea where that came from. Perhaps I have finally gone insane. It's been on the cards for a while now.
I do not recommend sacrificing chickens or family members, and I would like to distance myself from the suggestions that Granny stew can cure a cold. It is, as we all know, for external use only and a treatment for haemorrhoids. -
Message 11
Posted by ap Tom (U1380901) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
that st.patrick is the only patron saint of any of the british isles countries to have actually have been in the country that they are the patron saint of? Â
Not only was the Patron saint of Wales a resident of Wales, But he was born and died there. -
Message 12
Posted by Nufc navanâ„¢ (U2185802) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
that st.patrick is the only patron saint of any of the british isles countries to have actually have been in the country that they are the patron saint of? Â
Not only was the Patron saint of Wales a resident of Wales, But he was born and died there. Â not true -
Message 13
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
he was romano british
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Message 14
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
yes David was Romano-British, but he was still born and bred in the area that today is Wales, and as another thread has pointed out Patrick was also a Romano-Briton from the Cumbria region and therefore was as Irish as me.
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Message 15
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
are you from cornwall or summat then?
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Message 16
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
nah, south wales valleys although having done a fair ammount of family tree research I've found out to my shame that I am an englishman in welshmans clothing as the majority of my family comes from Gloucestershire (although two branches do come from Devon and Cornwall)
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Message 17
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
it dont matter where your from mate, unless of course your prone to temper tantrums that involve blue paint, red hair, shield-biting or pillaging, in which case you (like me) might be in a bit of trouble! (smiley>
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Message 18
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
lol, true, very true
Nah, not me, although I'd better watch out cos my wife could fit into your description,
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Message 19
Posted by marduk-slayer of tiamat (U2258525) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
a viking we will go, a viking we will go hey ho a derryoh a vioking we will go! (if your wifes of celtic stock, replace viking with woad-raiding!)
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Message 20
Posted by ap Tom (U1380901) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
that st.patrick is the only patron saint of any of the british isles countries to have actually have been in the country that they are the patron saint of? Â
Not only was the Patron saint of Wales a resident of Wales, But he was born and died there. Â not trueÂ
And what makes you think that? -
Message 21
Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
that st.patrick is the only patron saint of any of the british isles countries to have actually have been in the country that they are the patron saint of? i find that hard to believe.how can they be patron saints if they did nothing for your country?Â
Not true - St David, as has been pointed out, spent most of his time in Wales and was born there. Since you say the British Isles, you are also missing out St Samson, patron of Guernsey, who was very active there, and St Helier, patron of Jersey, who not only lived in the Island but was martyred there. -
Message 22
Posted by Plancenoit (U1237957) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
nah, south wales valleys although having done a fair ammount of family tree research I've found out to my shame that I am an englishman in welshmans clothing as the majority of my family comes from Gloucestershire (although two branches do come from Devon and Cornwall)Â
Now there's a thing. My Grandfather was born in Ferndale, Glamorgan, (all families have skeletons in the closet) but he moved to Gloucestershire, where most of the family prior to 1900 came from. Guess I'm a reverse Richie. I'm not sure if I qualify to play for Wales but if you get a go with Charlotte Church, I can sing 'Hen Wllad fy Nhaddhu' as good as any........excuse spelling by the way.... -
Message 23
Posted by Richie (U1238064) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
nah, south wales valleys although having done a fair ammount of family tree research I've found out to my shame that I am an englishman in welshmans clothing as the majority of my family comes from Gloucestershire (although two branches do come from Devon and Cornwall)Â
Now there's a thing. My Grandfather was born in Ferndale, Glamorgan, (all families have skeletons in the closet) but he moved to Gloucestershire, where most of the family prior to 1900 came from. Guess I'm a reverse Richie. I'm not sure if I qualify to play for Wales but if you get a go with Charlotte Church, I can sing 'Hen Wllad fy Nhaddhu' as good as any........excuse spelling by the way....Â
Once you have a Welsh Birth Cert in your collection you'll always be Welsh. Welcome on board the good ship Wales, lol -
Message 24
Posted by Plancenoit (U1237957) on Saturday, 17th December 2005
Yes indeed Richie, Cymru am byth. I've always had a great affection for Chepstow, Monmouth and surrounds. Not really sure why, I just like the people and the 'feel' of the place. I'm English born yet when it comes to Rugby, I always remember the passion my Grandad had for the Welsh team, and I seem to have inherited that special affinity. All the best.
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