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Who was better military leader Ceaser or Napoleon

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Sunday, 4th December 2005

  I asked this question because at school my teacher asked me the same thing and I said to her that I will answer this tomorow so wahd do you think?

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  Posted by U1645227 (U1645227) on Sunday, 4th December 2005

  At least we know now that you are still at school.
  
  Well tell your teacher tomorrow who you think is the better of the two. and explain why you think so.
  
  Then ask her if she agrees anf if not can she tell you why.
  
  I am sure between the two of you it can be sorted out.
  
  No ,don't bother telling us. We possibly won't agree anyway.
  
  

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  Posted by George1507 (U2607963) on Sunday, 4th December 2005

  Tell your teacher that they were both good, but Axel Oxenstierna was better.

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH MY QUESTION? At least we know now that you are still at school.
  
  Well tell your teacher tomorrow who you think is the better of the two. and explain why you think so.
  
  Then ask her if she agrees anf if not can she tell you why.
  
  I am sure between the two of you it can be sorted out.
  
  No ,don't bother telling us. We possibly won't agree anyway.
  
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  Posted by Miss_C_1982 (U2621579) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  I think that your teacher is probably asking you this so that you think about each leader in detail and what makes a good military leader. As long as you support your answer with examples and clear reasoning I think you teacher will be pleased.

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  I dont know both of them were big so thats why I asked that I think that your teacher is probably asking you this so that you think about each leader in detail and what makes a good military leader. As long as you support your answer with examples and clear reasoning I think you teacher will be pleased.Μύ

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  Say your teacher that it was Bat'ka Mahno,YEAH!

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  Who is this Say your teacher that it was Bat'ka Mahno,YEAH!Μύ

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  Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  It was one Man...In 1919-21 was a wave of peasant revolts against the Bolshevik regime throughout Uktaine,of which Mahno's was merely the largest,yeah!He gave up the struggle only in August 1921 and fled with his last remaining followers to Romania,although his strongholds in the south-east Ukraine continued to be a rebellious region fore several years to come.To many Ukrainians Mahno remained folk-hero(songs were sung about him at weddings and parties even as late as the 1950s),but for Russians he was a bogey man. 'BAT'KO(father-in Eng.)MAHNO WILL GET YOU IF YOU DON'T SLEEP'',Russian mothers told their childred.
  
  

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  Posted by TonyG (U1830405) on Monday, 5th December 2005

  Dear faran1,
  
  By all means contribute to discussions on these boards, but simply asking others to do your homework is not going to get much of a positive reaction as you have seen.
  
  To try to help you out a bt, I would say that there are a lot of similaritites between the two men. As for who was the better general, I often wonder why people insist on comapring things which are so difficult to compare. Arguments can be made for both of them.
  
  They were both after political power and used their armies to achieve this. They both understood the need to concentrate firepower in key areas of a battle. They both fought against enemies who had similar numbers of similarly armed troops, so neither had a great advantage. it could be said that Caesar's army was more professional as Napoleon had a lot of conscripts, but there probably was not much in it as most of Napoleon's enemies also used conscripts.
  
  Personally, I think Napoleon wa sbetter strategically and Caesar probably had the edge actually in battle. Napoleon tended to do his bes t work inthe eladup to battles, although there are sugegstion sthat a lot of his succes was due to the excellence of his intelligence services (thanks to DaveMBA for that one) but that does not diminish his success. A good leader will use everything at his disposal. It must be said that some of Napoleon's manouvering was excellent, but in battle he often just resorted to battering ram tactics.
  
  Caesar, on the other hand, often got into poor positions but themn somehow managed to fight his way our of them.
  
  Toss a coin as for who was "best".

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  Posted by WarFanatic (U2676733) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  Yeh Caesar would have been good tactically but couldn't it be said that it was the diversity and adaptability of his legions that brought him success? You've got to remember he had successes all over the continent of Europe and elsewhere. The suggestion that he was able to dig himself out of a hole is partly true but it would have been the efforts of the infantry legions and the shield wall that would have allowed him to do this rather than him as a general.

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  I think that ceaser got his power because his tactic was great and big am I mistaken? Yeh Caesar would have been good tactically but couldn't it be said that it was the diversity and adaptability of his legions that brought him success? You've got to remember he had successes all over the continent of Europe and elsewhere. The suggestion that he was able to dig himself out of a hole is partly true but it would have been the efforts of the infantry legions and the shield wall that would have allowed him to do this rather than him as a general.Μύ

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  Posted by TonyG (U1830405) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  Yeh Caesar would have been good tactically but couldn't it be said that it was the diversity and adaptability of his legions that brought him success? You've got to remember he had successes all over the continent of Europe and elsewhere. The suggestion that he was able to dig himself out of a hole is partly true but it would have been the efforts of the infantry legions and the shield wall that would have allowed him to do this rather than him as a general.Μύ
  
  You are correct to an extent, but remember, he also fought against other Romans who had the same quality or troops, so he had no advantage in those circumstances.

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  Rply to messege 13 Hi TonyG
  If caeser fought other romans it some how failed him to achive his goals.And I know that also the dissaggrements of the senat also did its work on the roman army am I mistaken?
  If yes so please correct me Yeh Caesar would have been good tactically but couldn't it be said that it was the diversity and adaptability of his legions that brought him success? You've got to remember he had successes all over the continent of Europe and elsewhere. The suggestion that he was able to dig himself out of a hole is partly true but it would have been the efforts of the infantry legions and the shield wall that would have allowed him to do this rather than him as a general.Μύ
  
  You are correct to an extent, but remember, he also fought against other Romans who had the same quality or troops, so he had no advantage in those circumstances. Μύ

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  Posted by TonyG (U1830405) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  Caesar did achieve his military goals. He was on the verge of becoming emperor when he was assassinated. That was political, not military.

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  Posted by WarFanatic (U2676733) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  You are correct about the roman rebellions but I suppose it depends on those circumstances to experience. If he was using more experienced troops then he would have had some sort of advantage but this is debateable as the training undertaken by the troops was tough.

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  Posted by faran1 (U2570961) on Tuesday, 6th December 2005

  TonyG rply to your messege
  But who do you think kill caeser?someone from his own "parlament"if I'm not mistaken it was brutos.
  caeser reached his glory and just before he went to with persia he was assinaited by brutos and kasius an old roman officer.
  
  But the results of the asassinaion were civil war between antonius that took the east and oktevius caeser's uncle that took the west including gaul[modern france].
  
  But the mail point of all his story that on his glory time his own "freinds" killed him.
  Is something incorrect? Caesar did achieve his military goals. He was on the verge of becoming emperor when he was assassinated. That was political, not military.Μύ

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  Posted by TonyG (U1830405) on Wednesday, 7th December 2005

  Re message 17, faran, That is correct. But I don't see how Caesar's assassination has any bearing on his ability as a general, which was the point I was tryin gto answer. In fact, it could be argued that the conspirators chose assassination because they knew they would not be able to beat him in an all out civil war. Witness Octavian's subsequent victory over Cassius and Brutus. Octavian, for all his political skills, was no great general.

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