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What if the US had not joined WW1?

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  Posted by Mark (U1347077) on Monday, 14th November 2005

  Assuming unrestricted submarine warfare and the Zimmerman telegram had not happened,
  how would World War 1 have progressed?
  Would Kaiserschlacht still have occured in 1918? Would the British naval blockade have starved Germany and the Central Powers? Would technology like the tank have played a decisive role in 1919?

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  Posted by Mark (U2073932) on Tuesday, 15th November 2005

  It's a tricky one. The german army at the armistice believed it could still have fought on and gained a worthwhile peace but the hunger and inflation in Germany was hitting the populace too hard.
  
  The British army was getting better and better and with their new tactics, superior man power and co-ordinated arms, would have succeeded in the end. Probably!
  

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  Posted by ColdRed (U1713841) on Tuesday, 15th November 2005

  Germany was starving due to the allied blockades, they made a final desperate effort to break the allies in 1918.
  
  I think the war would have ended regardless, germany was in a desperate state and an army marches on its stomach.
  
  Theres a lot more factors than just this of course but i belive this was a major contribution.
  I think the american influence came to late to have any overall large scale impact on the outcome of the war

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  Posted by Mr Pedant (U2464726) on Tuesday, 15th November 2005

  Germany was starving due to the allied blockades, they made a final desperate effort to break the allies in 1918.
  
  I think the war would have ended regardless, germany was in a desperate state and an army marches on its stomach.
  
  Theres a lot more factors than just this of course but i belive this was a major contribution.
  I think the american influence came to late to have any overall large scale impact on the outcome of the warΒ 
  
  I imagine that we and the French were in dire straights financially and running low on men.
  
  While I agree that technology and tactics were increasing our ability to attack trenches effectively did we have the strength for another big push?
  
  (i've no idea)

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  Posted by Mark (U1347077) on Friday, 18th November 2005

  Thanks for your thoughts!

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  Posted by General Zod (U1771421) on Tuesday, 29th November 2005

  given a few more months the German situation might have improved significantly, after all they had only recently gained possession of large swaths of Russian territory including the grain of the Ukraine and natural resources of the Caucasus (which Lenin had signed over at Brest-Litovsk). Without US manpower the allies would not have been able to advance and a stalemate is the best they could have hoped for.
  
  Because of the AEF (American expeditionary force) the allies were able to make ever more rapid advance which otherwise would have been impossible and would have given the Germans time to bring their new resources into play which now they couldn't do because time was running out.

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  Posted by LittleHill (U3038272) on Thursday, 26th January 2006

  The Germans could have captured france but the French with the BIG aid of the Americans, stopped them.
  I think the only two reasons the Germasn lost the war was because of :
  
  1- Starvation
  
  2- The americans who pushed them back.
  
  Cheers I hope i helped.
  
  Doc50Cent

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  Posted by Lord Ball (U1767246) on Thursday, 26th January 2006

  Sorry, did you just say the American's pushed them back? The small amount of Americans in France and the French army halted the German advance at the almost exact same place as 1914, but it was the British army that pushed them back. The Germans could have captured france but the French with the BIG aid of the Americans, stopped them.
  I think the only two reasons the Germasn lost the war was because of :
  
  1- Starvation
  
  2- The americans who pushed them back.
  
  Cheers I hope i helped.
  
  Doc50Cent Β 

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  Posted by mik366 (U2920296) on Saturday, 28th January 2006

  There is a current debate about wether the US troops were actully did more harm than good in 1918! So to say that they were the main cause of the Allied victory seems invald to me!
  
  I think though that the US in joinning the war, forced the Germans to launch the Ludendorff offensive in 1918, which was based on very bad strategy!
  
  If the war had lasted into 1919 then, i think FC Fuller had come up with a very good plan (on paper) which involved tanks, planes and inifinatry in three large waves and looks very similar to the German Blizekrieg!

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  Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Sunday, 29th January 2006

  There is a current debate about wether the US troops actully did more harm than good in 1918! Β 
  
  Really? Can you tell us more about this debate?

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  Posted by mik366 (U2920296) on Sunday, 29th January 2006

  Really? Can you tell us more about this debate?
  
  see B. Bond, The Pursuit of Victory - from Napleon to Saddam Hussein, Chapter six, (Oxford 1996)

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  Posted by LittleHill (U3038272) on Monday, 30th January 2006

  mik366
  
  look at what the British have done with thier navy to Germany, They made it starve.
  secondly in the Battle Of The Marne they had less men and about 4 corps to the eastern front.
  See my Point.
  
  Cheers Doc50.

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