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The gssing myth

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  Posted by flembo2976 (U2274122) on Friday, 21st October 2005

  I say again if you where to read the scholary and forensic study into the aleged mass gassings
  that took place at some concentration camps. You will realise that it was not technologicaly possible to kill this many people in the time frame given. Also why is it that the numbers given as to the people killed always changes depending on where you look. For example it was initialy several million now the figure is down to several thousand?
  
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  then you will see what i mean there is so much evidence to dispute the mass gassing claims it is amaizing that people still believe the myth.
  And you got to ask why when people question the facts they are subject to a smear campaign, why?
  There is definitley dark forces at work here. why does nobody believe the evidence? or rather do not want to believe the truth for some reason.

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  Posted by Mani (U1821129) on Friday, 21st October 2005

  As we have said before, do you dispute any of the genocide, or just the figures. Do you doubt the existance of various death camps, the Einsatsgruppen, or just the figures involved?

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  Posted by flembo2976 (U2274122) on Friday, 21st October 2005

  No just the gassings. No doubt about the rest of the barbarity.

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  Posted by Mike Alexander (U1706714) on Friday, 21st October 2005

  No just the gassings. No doubt about the rest of the barbarity.Β 
  
  Just clicked the link you posted. It contains materials from such writers as Butz and Rudolf who have been roundly exposed by serious historians and scientists as at best misleading and at worse downright falsifiers of the evidence.
  
  A friend of mine studied much of this holocaust denial material for his degree thesis - and found nothing in it that held water.
  
  I would add that most of it is written by people who come to the subject with preconceived ideas and an extreme right-wing political agenda.

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  Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Friday, 21st October 2005

  If anjybody feels like reading something useful on the Holocaust, rather than un-supported opinion of fringe Hitler fans, I would recommend Christopher Browning's "The Origins Of The Final Solution : September 1939-March 1942".
  
  Bang up to date, fully documented and lists each step in the planning along with lists of deportations and atrocities. An un-comfortable but informative read.

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Saturday, 22nd October 2005

  The trouble with this is that a rational assessment of what happened and indeed, why it happened is impossible because of the agendas behind it. The disputes are over numbers and indeed, there is little clarity on the sources of the "official figures". Under any other histporical circumstance, it would be possible to assess this angle without people, who merely question aspects of the event being accused of denying the whole thing took place.

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  Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Saturday, 22nd October 2005

  The trouble with this is that a rational assessment of what happened and indeed, why it happened is impossible because of the agendas behind it. The disputes are over numbers and indeed, there is little clarity on the sources of the "official figures". Β 
  
  Sorry Dave but this is just postmodernist rubbish. It IS possible to make a rational assessment of what happened - you look at the documentary evidence, talk to people who were there, study the beliefs of the perpetrators and then draw your conclusions - just like any other historical event. As for the disputes over numbers, I've never heard of any serious historian arguing that the Nazis "only" killed thousands, rather than millions, of people. Obviously we'll never know the exact number but that in itself doesn't prove anything. We don't know the exact number killed at Trafalgar, does that mean there was no battle?

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Sunday, 23rd October 2005

  It is the correct means to identify what happened and no, you will never find very last detail. However, it should be possible to discuss the capacity of the camps to kill without being condemned as a pro-Nazi revisionist. This subject has reached the point that unless you follow the "official line", you are anti-Semitic, which is nonsense.

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  Posted by Idamante (U1894562) on Sunday, 23rd October 2005

  It is the correct means to identify what happened and no, you will never find very last detail. However, it should be possible to discuss the capacity of the camps to kill without being condemned as a pro-Nazi revisionist. This subject has reached the point that unless you follow the "official line", you are anti-Semitic, which is nonsense.Β 
  
  There should never be an "official line" on the holocaust that can never be challenged - apart from anything else it would just add fuel to the conspiracy theories. But are there any serious historians out there who really have doubts on the gas chamber issue? My impression is that it's all coming from the "usual suspects", ie politically motivated charlatans like David Irving.
  
  Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.

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