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  Posted by Kilted Man - The Return (U2103467) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  Well actually, the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ is more of a world service, especially on the internet, so anyone is welcome to come along and have their say, as long as they are polite, which expat was not at times.
  
  Also, I don't think the USA is in decline, it is just unfortunate to be governed by a rather poor administration at the moment.
  
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  Posted by ralphspikyhair (U1667317) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  I suppose the problem with american administration is that... there's too many americans involved...oh well nobody's perfect!

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  Did you see the two reporters on Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ News tonight wandering round Windsor. The bloke said that he knew Planks, who rubbished the monarchy and then when they saw E2 on the TV, went aroudn saying they had seen E2 on TV. Very superficial society.
  
  The US is in decline as its client states are breaking away - and it will not be long before UK too has to abandon them in Iraq. Its key economic advantages - wide open spaces and large youngish populations, which gave it the economies of scale to produce industrial advances (although it ahs always been poor on innovation) are being gradually whittled away. Its dependence on oil and gas will also drag it into more costly wars.

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  Posted by Nik (U1777139) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Even in our days when anything moves so fast, it is not easy to spot whether a state, especially a global power like China, is on a definite path of decline. In my view, powers do not decline linearly or abruptly, but in a spiral-like way where there are times of incremental rise and times of incremental fall, where the net outcome is a downward movement - which when it reaches a certain low point, the power collapses (usually under war circumstances).
  
  There are various signs that prove that USA as a power has enterred that spiral path of decline but nothing like the USSR which from its highest power point (reffering only to its power and not to its economical/societal conditions) in the 1970s, it fell within 15 years. USA may have a spiral decline movement that may last longer than that.
  
  As Dave mentioned nicely, the foundations of US development (open spaces, growing populations and energy ressources) are not so relevant today, and US find it continuously harder to assert its economy and power in the world. Its industry though directly hit since the 60s, on the overall, does not present convincing capacities of adaptability and it is mainly through the US implicit and explicit protectionism (so much for free markets and capitalism!!!) especially via military means that the functioning of the US economicv machine is ensured. The means of applying these strategies are getting more and more expensive thus reducing the end profits and US will have to find other strategies.
  
  The US failyre (a failure to laugh at) in Venezuela some years back when they tried to repeat the same strategy employed in 1973 in Chile, proves that even their diplomacy has little innovation, unless... in an overstreched but still possible senario, they did it on purpose so as to sabotage oil provisions (for their own reasons who knows...) - if that is a case then there is some development in that sector!
  
  USA has opted to largely remain on the path of 'controlable enrgy ressources' (as opposed to renewable energy ressources), so they can have a grip on the world's economies and be able to hinder anyone trying to overpass them. However, having a grip on others will imply the more and more expensive military employment and more wars and more global resentment that will cause at sometime USA either to create a total war or to readjust their strategies thus reducing their overall power - in either case they will finally decline, even if they are the winners of all these wars. Most probably downfall will definetely come when the 'grand-children' of investors of 1880-1920 period will take out their money to re-invest them back in Europe or China or probably both! This sounds very generic but then if capital flies, then USA is left with little to hold it together, my guess is that Texas will be the first to fly away. Though I do not know if that will be for the best or the worst...

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  Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  america is in decline because its to dam cocky and everyone knws it expat u got a cheek to come on a british website and saying why dont u bugger offΒ 
  
  What am I doing here ?. As an American taxpayer I will go anyplace on MY internet I please. Why don't I leave, because I have been invited overwhelmingly to stay. Besides I'm having so much fun. Are we on the decline, I doubt it. China and India are on the economic move, however those are just more markets for us to cater to.
  Our best resource is our people. We are the most artistic and innovative people the world has ever seen. On energy, we meet half our own oil needs. May I remind you that your country has recently become an oil importer despite the recent North sea oil find.It must be awful to have all that jealousy eating at you're insides. You have to live with it, not I.
  
  It's GREAT to be King.
  Cheers.
  
  

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Hi E_Nikolaos_E,
  States like countries, ie. Europe, will only stay together out of mutual interests, self preservation and for the benifit of politicians. When a state or country feels that it is being left out of the loop or its interests are being pushed to one side and the politicians are losing out it / they will begin to re-flex its independent muscle once again. Therefore watch this space........it's human nature.
  Going with the flow
  Spike Even in our days when anything moves so fast, it is not easy to spot whether a state, especially a global power like China, is on a definite path of decline. In my view, powers do not decline linearly or abruptly, but in a spiral-like way where there are times of incremental rise and times of incremental fall, where the net outcome is a downward movement - which when it reaches a certain low point, the power collapses (usually under war circumstances).
  
  There are various signs that prove that USA as a power has enterred that spiral path of decline but nothing like the USSR which from its highest power point (reffering only to its power and not to its economical/societal conditions) in the 1970s, it fell within 15 years. USA may have a spiral decline movement that may last longer than that.
  
  As Dave mentioned nicely, the foundations of US development (open spaces, growing populations and energy ressources) are not so relevant today, and US find it continuously harder to assert its economy and power in the world. Its industry though directly hit since the 60s, on the overall, does not present convincing capacities of adaptability and it is mainly through the US implicit and explicit protectionism (so much for free markets and capitalism!!!) especially via military means that the functioning of the US economicv machine is ensured. The means of applying these strategies are getting more and more expensive thus reducing the end profits and US will have to find other strategies.
  
  The US failyre (a failure to laugh at) in Venezuela some years back when they tried to repeat the same strategy employed in 1973 in Chile, proves that even their diplomacy has little innovation, unless... in an overstreched but still possible senario, they did it on purpose so as to sabotage oil provisions (for their own reasons who knows...) - if that is a case then there is some development in that sector!
  
  USA has opted to largely remain on the path of 'controlable enrgy ressources' (as opposed to renewable energy ressources), so they can have a grip on the world's economies and be able to hinder anyone trying to overpass them. However, having a grip on others will imply the more and more expensive military employment and more wars and more global resentment that will cause at sometime USA either to create a total war or to readjust their strategies thus reducing their overall power - in either case they will finally decline, even if they are the winners of all these wars. Most probably downfall will definetely come when the 'grand-children' of investors of 1880-1920 period will take out their money to re-invest them back in Europe or China or probably both! This sounds very generic but then if capital flies, then USA is left with little to hold it together, my guess is that Texas will be the first to fly away. Though I do not know if that will be for the best or the worst... Β 

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Hi E_Nikolaos_E,
  States like countries, ie. Europe, will only stay together out of mutual interests, self preservation and for the benifit of politicians. When a state or country feels that it is being left out of the loop or its interests are being pushed to one side and the politicians are losing out it / they will begin to re-flex its independent muscle once again. Therefore watch this space........it's human nature.
  Going with the flow
  Spike

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  Posted by DaveMBA (U1360771) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  I see expat32 is getting deluded again; " We are the most artistic and innovative people the world has ever seen." No, you are not - Scotland pro-rata is the most inventive and "art" - erm, never heard of the Renaisssance then (name us a great US artist, who was not on drugs).

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  Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  I see expat32 is getting deluded again; " We are the most artistic and innovative people the world has ever seen." No, you are not - Scotland pro-rata is the most inventive and "art" - erm, never heard of the Renaisssance then (name us a great US artist, who was not on drugs). Β 
  
  In case you never noticed. I have no intention of dignifying any of your cretin like posts with a rebuttal.

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  Posted by Sleepyjeremy (U2182149) on Saturday, 8th October 2005

  I am only 17 but even i know Europe produced classical and renaisance are,democracy and philosophy whats america invented the hamburger even the romans invented that americas is in decline your countrys too greedy and only cares for itself no wonder most of the world hates you.

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  Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 9th October 2005

  Moderator,
  Let Jeremy have his say. Please stop being so petty.

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