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Message 1.Β
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 25th September 2005
Should third world countries be reimbursed for the theft of their assets under the subjugation of The British Empire.
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Message 2
Posted by Lord Ball (U1767246) on Sunday, 25th September 2005
Should third world countries be reimbursed for the disastrous effects that your Government's tarriffs have had on them? Should Cuba and the Philippines be reimbursed for the damage that your imperialist thirsts caused the?
The British Empire did a lot more than 'rob' the third world nations of today. It brought them the English system of government and law. It brought education and it brought them protection under the commonwealth umbrella. -
Message 3
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Sunday, 25th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='Lord Ball' USERID='1767246'><BR />The British Empire did a lot more than 'rob' the third world nations of today. </QUOTE><BR /><BR />Thank you for that conformation Your Highness.
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Message 4
Posted by Rurfus (U1800117) on Monday, 26th September 2005
Reimbursed for theft of which assets? Which third world countries are you talking about? Are ALL countries that were in British Empire at one point still third world? Were these countries using these assets when these 'thefts' took place?
Could you try and develop your point abit more before trying to argue it. Do you believe all countries should account for how they behaved in history?
What about all the help third world countries are getting at the moment in the form of charity and the cancellations of debt? -
Message 5
Posted by Tim of Acleah (U1736633) on Monday, 26th September 2005
Would this include that former part of the British Empire, the american colonists. Would they undertake to reimburse all the North American lands at the current market rate?
Think it might cost a lot more that the Hurricanes and the Iraq war put together. -
Message 6
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 26th September 2005
"Would this include that former part of the British Empire, the American colonists. Would they undertake to reimburse all the North American lands at the current market rate? "
As this was yet another British Colony I should think reimbursement would be a British responsibility.
"Think it might cost a lot more that the Hurricanes and the Iraq war put together."
Iraq war: $200 Billion
Hurricane Katrina; about $200 Billion
Hurricane Rita : who knows, say $20 Billion
Total about $420 Billion.
International insurance companies will pay for a lot of the hurricane damage. To include Lloyds.
Hurricanes and war are nothing new to us. I doubt if $420 Billion would buy Central Park. -
Message 7
Posted by Mark E (U204575) on Monday, 26th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>"Would this include that former part of the British Empire, the American colonists. Would they undertake to reimburse all the North American lands at the current market rate? "<BR /><BR />As this was yet another British Colony I should think reimbursement would be a British responsibility.<BR /></QUOTE><BR />Surely by the time of the westward migration of Amercians following the westward expansion of territory, was after America ceased to be a colony?
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Message 8
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 26th September 2005
We already paid for that territory From France, Russia, and by treaty with Mexico. Please don't ask me who gave it to them.
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Message 9
Posted by Steelers708 (U1831340) on Monday, 26th September 2005
You didn't pay the North American Indians for their land, they paid for it with their own blood.
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Message 10
Posted by steveP (U1775134) on Monday, 26th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='Steelers708' USERID='1831340'>You didn't pay the North American Indians for their land, they paid for it with their own blood.</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Quite right Steeler. Expat can't claim that there is something immoral in the British empire - and presumably other European empires - then claim the US could legitimately purchase land from other European states. Furthermore much of the land east of the Mississippi was Indian territory until the US seized it after their war of independence. British attempts to protect the Indians against illegal land seizures by colonists was probably second only to their unwillingness to contribute to their own defences in prompting the rebellion.<BR /><BR /> Steve<BR /><BR />PS Sorry I realise my 1st sentence in is error. Technically he could make that claim if he is a hypocrite.<BR />
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Message 11
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 26th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='Steelers708' USERID='1831340'>You didn't pay the North American Indians for their land, they paid for it with their own blood.</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Who gave it to the North American Indians.
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Message 12
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Monday, 26th September 2005
With that sort of logic Britain should give back the Orkney Islands to Norway, and with all the oil reserves that would now be Norwegian.
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Message 13
Posted by Steelers708 (U1831340) on Monday, 26th September 2005
And with that sort of logic, just about every country in the world would have to pay compensation to another country, there can't be many countries, if any, that hasn't been either the invader or the invaded at some point in world history.
I would really like to now what your problem with Britain is, I've noticed with several of your posts that you seem to have an anti-British bias if not an outright hatred of Britain, unless you just happen to be one of those people that gets a kick from winding people up. -
Message 14
Posted by jberie (U1767537) on Monday, 26th September 2005
I am one American who thinks the revolution was a big blunder. Every July fourth I curse the rebels--by god if it hadn't been for them every American would have socialized healthcare!
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Message 15
Posted by Pete Mason (U230297) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
If they were still colonies perhaps they woldn't be third world!
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Message 16
Posted by Mark E (U204575) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>We already paid for that territory From France, Russia, and by treaty with Mexico. Please don't ask me who gave it to them.</QUOTE><BR />So essentially you are saying that was OK because you bought the land from a fence (one who handles stolen goods to sell on)? An interesting argument.<BR /><BR />Are you also saying that America legitimately purchased all land outside of the original thirteen colonies?
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Message 17
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<BR /><QUOTE' USER='Mark E' USERID='204575'><QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>We already paid for that territory From France, Russia, and by treaty with Mexico. Please don't ask me who gave it to them.</QUOTE><BR />So essentially you are saying that was OK because you bought the land from a fence (one who handles stolen goods to sell on)? An interesting argument.<BR /><BR />Are you also saying that America legitimately purchased all land outside of the original thirteen colonies?</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Stolen from whom ? So the Brits stole the original 13 colonies. <BR /><BR />
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Message 18
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='jberie' USERID='1767537'>I am one American who thinks the revolution was a big blunder. Every July fourth I curse the rebels--by god if it hadn't been for them every American would have socialized healthcare! <BR /><BR />jb</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Good point jb, We could wait around for a year or so for operations, and live in a society where teeth are an optional accessory.
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Message 19
Posted by Mark E (U204575) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'><BR /><QUOTE' USER='Mark E' USERID='204575'><QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>We already paid for that territory From France, Russia, and by treaty with Mexico. Please don't ask me who gave it to them.</QUOTE><BR />So essentially you are saying that was OK because you bought the land from a fence (one who handles stolen goods to sell on)? An interesting argument.<BR /><BR />Are you also saying that America legitimately purchased all land outside of the original thirteen colonies?</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Stolen from whom ? So the Brits stole the original 13 colonies. <BR /><BR /></QUOTE><BR />"Should third world countries be reimbursed for the theft of their assets "[under the subjugation of The British Empire.]<BR /><BR />You already suggest that the British stole its Empire. What did the US do? I don't understand why you do not answer the questions.<BR />1) if America bought its land, was it bought from someone who rightfully 'owned' it?<BR />2) I respectfully ask you to answer the above question - did the US legitimately purchase *all* of what is now the USA? If so, I refer you to point 1 <SMILEY TYPE='winkeye' H2G2='Smiley#winkeye'/> If not, please, please could you enlighten me?<BR />Then perhaps we could get to your original question, but preferably on a more universal note rather than a purely British-Empire slant
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Message 20
Posted by Bishwarrior (U1759943) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='Steelers708' USERID='1831340'><BR />I would really like to now what your problem with Britain is, I've noticed with several of your posts that you seem to have an anti-British bias if not an outright hatred of Britain, unless you just happen to be one of those people that gets a kick from winding people up.</QUOTE><BR /><BR />Yes, so would i. I notice he didn't mention the French Empire, or the Dutch, Belgums Portugese or any othe modern Eruopean Empire. <BR /><BR />O ye, and of course theres the US takeing over Hawai. I wasn't sure on the history of US involvment there, but 1 mins digging and i found this<BR /> <BR /><LINK href="http://www.hawaii-nation.org/overview.html#history">http://www.hawaii-nation.org/overview.html#history</LINK><BR /><BR />The sight itself is after Independence for Hawai.<BR /><BR />And then of course there is the African slaves. And yes, the Brits started it. But the US carried on with slavery long after abolition in Britain. You gonna pay them compensation expat.
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Message 21
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
"1) if America bought its land, was it bought from someone who rightfully 'owned' it?"
Alaska was purchased from Russia. Other than Spanish possesions the rest was purchased from France. These were purchased from the legal owners at that time in history. The rest was annexed by treaty with Mexico. I hope this is enough red herrings from the string question. -
Message 22
Posted by Mark E (U204575) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'><BR /><BR />... These were purchased from the legal owners at that time in history...<BR /></QUOTE><BR />In which case, dear Expat, no payments need to be made to '3rd world countries' as Britain was the legal owner at the time.
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Message 23
Posted by Bishwarrior (U1759943) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>"1) <BR />Alaska was purchased from Russia. Other than Spanish possesions the rest was purchased from France. These were purchased from the legal owners at that time in history. The rest was annexed by treaty with Mexico. I hope this is enough red herrings from the string question.<BR /></QUOTE><BR /><BR />And Hawai.
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Message 24
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
Mark your way in over your head. If you don't make silly posts people will never know the depths of your ignorance.
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Message 25
Posted by Mark E (U204575) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>Mark your way in over your head. If you don't make silly posts people will never know the depths of your ignorance.</QUOTE><BR />Thanks ex pat. Your inability to answer the question and ad hominem comments speak volumes.
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Message 26
Posted by Lord Ball (U1767246) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>"1) if America bought its land, was it bought from someone who rightfully 'owned' it?"<BR /><BR />Alaska was purchased from Russia. Other than Spanish possesions the rest was purchased from France. These were purchased from the legal owners at that time in history. The rest was annexed by treaty with Mexico. I hope this is enough red herrings from the string question.<BR /></QUOTE><BR /><BR />Hold on a second there, expat. You said that your lands were purchased legally. Last time I checked, invading such places as Guam and Puerto Rico wasn't what I'd call legal purchasing of land.
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Message 27
Posted by Tim of Acleah (U1736633) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>"Would this include that former part of the British Empire, the American colonists. Would they undertake to reimburse all the North American lands at the current market rate? "<BR /><BR />As this was yet another British Colony I should think reimbursement would be a British responsibility.<BR /><BR />"Think it might cost a lot more that the Hurricanes and the Iraq war put together."<BR /><BR />Iraq war: $200 Billion<BR />Hurricane Katrina; about $200 Billion<BR />Hurricane Rita : who knows, say $20 Billion<BR /><BR />Total about $420 Billion.<BR /><BR />International insurance companies will pay for a lot of the hurricane damage. To include Lloyds.<BR /><BR />Hurricanes and war are nothing new to us. I doubt if $420 Billion would buy Central Park.<BR /></QUOTE><BR /><BR /><BR />I think you took the debt on yourselves when you declared your illegal UDI.<BR /><BR />I think you have overvalued Central Park though.<BR /><BR />
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Message 28
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
Really bish, your starting to embarrass me. This www.hawaii-nation.or...
is taken from a Hawaiian nationalist site.
The people of Hawaii voted by referendum to become a part of the United States. Yes the British did start slavery, all over the Caribbean and North and South America. Yes lets compensate everyone that was a slave. (bish has volunteered to dig them up) -
Message 29
Posted by expat32 (U2025313) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
Should third world countries be reimbursed for the theft of their assets under the subjugation of The British Empire.
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Message 30
Posted by Bishwarrior (U1759943) on Tuesday, 27th September 2005
<QUOTE' USER='expat32' USERID='2025313'>Really bish, your starting to embarrass me. This www.hawaii-nation.or...<BR />is taken from a Hawaiian nationalist site.<BR /><BR />The people of Hawaii voted by referendum to become a part of the United States. </QUOTE><BR /><BR /><LINK href="http://www.hawaii-nation.org/statehood.html">http://www.hawaii-nation.org/statehood.html</LINK><BR /><BR />Would you mean this referendum where US military personal and their families were allowed to vote, on what was essentially the future of a foreign nation.
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