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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 28th August 2005

  I have recently managed to obtain info on my G G grandfather born 1842 and thanks to familysearch.org his father (I think) But I am finding it difficult to link up the two. The info from familyserach yielded - John Dales b 1815 had three sons - John, Handsley & William. William had a John H born 1848 so he is not my G G G grandfather. Handlsey died in 1847 but no records of any marriage exist. My G G Grandfather was in service at aged 18 in the 1861 census and was married with children in the 1871 census. So I cannot trace the John Dales from 1815 to the John Dales of 1842. The only thing I can trace is that John Dales,1815 married twice, Elizabeth then Catherine. Widowed by 1891, he died 1894. Can anyone give me any idea how I can find out for sure if John of 1815 is the father of John 1842. The common link for these Dales is that they were all born in Alford, a very small Lincolnshire village. Any assiatance would be much appreciated.
  
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  Jo

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  Posted by Linda1111 (U1103093) on Saturday, 3rd September 2005

  Firstly, remember that although the information on the IGI at familysearch is a wonderful tool, you should always check the original records.
  
  I suggest using your local LDS centre to rent the appropriate fiche(s) for the parish you are interested in. It only costs about Β£3 and the films are available for you to use for 28 days. You can find out if the LDS has filmed the records that you want and also obtain the appropriate numbers of the films from the catalogue section at the familysearch site.
  
  Alternatively, you could travel to the local archives for the area and view any fiche there. You would need to call and check that they have them but usually that isn't a problem. Going to the local archives would also allow you to view the 1841 census and try to track down your ancestor in order to ascertain further information.
  
  Have you tried to obtain the birth certificate for the possibilities you have for events 1837 onwards? This would help.
  
  It might also be helpful to join the rootsweb list for Lincolnshire as there will be plenty of people on the list with local knowledge and the possibility of someone else researching the same family.
  
  Hope some of this helps.

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  Posted by halcroves (U1813496) on Saturday, 3rd September 2005

  Hi there again,
  I've just had a quick look for you and the only John Dales (b.1842)i can find with father *John Dales was born in Willoughby with Sloothby in Lincoln. *Wife was Sarah...Doesn't sound like the right one ....sorry.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 4th September 2005

  I have checked my records and the census's are very misleading me thinks. It just deducts the age from the year of the census and says born abt... As the census is taken late March early April there is a 75% chance of the b abt being the year before. But I can find 2 John Dales b 1842. Both in Spilsby in June 1842 which would match the Census's. I am sending for both birth certificates. I know who the 1842 was married to. Ann Grant. I have checked with family trees and have found Ann Grant m to John Dales born Beelsby (Though that tree says he was born 10th July 1842)The 1815 was married to a Catherine until 1880 then married an Elizabeth. Getting confused now as I can no longer find the marriage of John and Ann which I had as 17th May 1864. I have done so much searching and used so many sources. Guess I am going to have get my G G Grandmas (Florence Dales b June 1878) birth certificate too to confirm her mothers maiden name. I should point out that Spilsby and Beelsby are neighbouring villages, close to Alford. If you can find any of the above, I would be grateful. Many thanks
  
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  Posted by carolinelise (U968673) on Sunday, 4th September 2005

  Jo,
  Panic not.
  I've checked through the freebmd transcribers website and the particular years and months for marriages you are looking at have not yet been transcribed. This may be why you have not found the marriage entry yet.
  I have found your John Dales born 1844 Beelsby in the 1881 census. The children listed include your Florence born 1879 in Grimsby Lincolnshire.
  
  1 Freshney Street Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire
  John Dales Head ( General Labourer ) 1844 Beelsby
  Ann Dales Wife 1845 Spilsby, Linc
  Ellen (dau) 1865 Beelsby
  John Henry (son)1868 Grimsby
  Charlotte E (dau)1870 Grimsby
  George (son)1873 Grimsby
  Fanny A (dau)Grimsby
  Florence (dau)Grimsby
  Mary J (dau)
  
  Also I found a family tree on the net which agrees that amy grant daughter of mary grant married John Dales.
  Let me know if you find any of this helpful.
  Caroline

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 4th September 2005

  Thank you for taking the time to go through the websites. I already have linked my G Grandma to the 1881 census and as you say the wife of that family was Ann - Nee Grant so the Amy & Mary Grant can not belong to that family. John H married a Hannah so its not him. Strangely in Lincolnshire every one called their children the same as their siblings did. This makes tracking very difficult. There are lots of John Dales b Lincolnshire. Very trying. I found the same problem with F Dales spouse - my G Grandfather Thomas Ayscough. Quite a number of them in Lincolnshire too with a brother called Christopher. When I came to looking at it logically, I could not understand why my Grandma's brother, also Thomas Ayscough named his eldest son Christopher, then I came upon a Thomas born 1949 (same maiden name for the mum as Elizabeth Ann and Christopher who I used to play with)who was not around when I was in their company. Sounds strange that my mums aunts and Uncles were about my age but my Nan was born 1901 and Thomas, her brother was born 1920 and my mum 1924. Thanks for your help. I am currently trawling through the 1851 census to try and trace if J dales 1815 was the father of J Dales 1842.
  
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  Jo

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