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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  I'm lost and don't know where to look now. My husbands Grandfather married on 13/1/1920 and on his marriage certificate his name is William Charles Dean Age 32 year, Fathers name is Charles Edward Dean. He married a Daisy Horwood, Age 19. He has signed the marriage certificate William Charles Dean. They had their first child Charles Edward Dean on 24/9/1920, BUT the fathers name on this certificate is Charles Edward Dean and the mother Daisy Dean (Formerly Horwood). He died on 13/8/1934, and his death certificate states his name as Charles Edward Dean and his age as 48. The ages don't match and the name is different. Where do I go from here?

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  Posted by Bill (U1780452) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  Hi
  
  Where did the marriage and birth take place?
  
  It is not uncommon for ages to be incorrect on certifcates. In the case of a death certificate it may not even be the next of kin who is providing the information! Even so the date range for his birth spans only a few years from the ages you have.
  
  Likewise christian names are often changed. Perhaps grandfather decided he didn't want to be called Charles Edward jnr so called himself William Charles. I suspect his correct name is Charles Edward. With the place of marriage and birth this should be able to be confirmed.
  
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  Posted by reader (U1767310) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  Hi
  For your next step you could try the 1901 census for William Charles/Charles Edward son of Charles Edward. I dont think the 2 year discrepancy in ages matters too much.

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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  Bill, The marriage took place at Bristol registry Office, and the death was in Bristol where my husbands father grew up and most of the family still live. The death was registered by Daisy Dean (nee Horwood).
  
  Thanks DAWN

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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  Hello, I have tried the 1901 census, and looked in the area I think they may have lived before he was married which was bristol. I cannot find any Charles Edwards with William or Charles as a son. I think he may have been about 15 so could of moved out of home. I just keep running into dead ends. Thanks DAWN

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  Posted by Bill (U1780452) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2005

  Hi Dawn
  
  Searched 1885-1889 for William Charles and Charles Edward, all results below. Contary to what I previously said it looks like he is William Charles.
  
  Dean Willaim Charles Bristol.6a 13 Birth Sept 1885
  Dean Charles Edward Ashton Under Lyne.8d 504 Birth Jan 1889
  Dean Charles Edward Aylesbury.3a 711 Birth June 1886
  Dean Charles Edward Bakewell.7b 200 Birth Sept 1885
  Dean Charles Edward J Edmonton.3a 308 Birth June 1887
  Dean Charles Edward Halifax.9a 500 Birth Jan 1886
  Dean Charles Edward Holbeach.7a 404 Birth Jan 1889
  Dean Charles Edward Stroud.6a 340 Birth Jan 1888
  
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  Bill

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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  Hello Bill,
  
  I found the William Charles Dean and applied for his certificate, the one you have listed from Bristol, but the fathers name on this certificate is William Charles and not Charles Edward. I just keep hitting brick walls all the time. I know he died in Southmead Hospital in Bristol, do you know if you are allowed access to medical records, as I would presume his date of birth would be on his medical records? As there is no living relatives at all, and he had died long before my husbands father got married there isn't anyone we can ask.
  
  Thanks DAWN

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  Posted by reader (U1767310) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  Dawn
  Perhaps you can track down Charles/Williams's burial. I have found local cemetary staff very helpful; not only in finding graves but also details like age and last address which should be in their registers and also who else might be in grave.
  The local Bristol paper might also have an obituary mentioning family names, like brother and sisters.
  I believe medical records are sealed for 100 years.

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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  Bill, I have just telephoned the hospital and apparently in 1934 there were no records kept on patients as there was not NHS until 1948. Apparently the NHS only keep records now for 8 years and after that destroy them.
  
  I did find out where he was buried Holy Souls Cemetrary, Bristol, but it was a common internment, which I think is a paupers grave. I did ask if his date of birth was on the documentation and they advised it wasn't, only the information I already have on the death certificate. The Death Certificate does state his address, but I don't know how this will help as his wife then remarried and moved and is obviously now dead. Thanks DAWN

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  Posted by reader (U1767310) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  As a pauper he probably applied to the guardians of the poor (Workhouse) for relief at some time, or his wife did after his death. These did not finish until 1939 and liked to know date and parish of birth before paying out and might be worth checking out.
  
  I presume Bristol RO holds these records but depending on address could be Somerset or Gloustershire County Records Office.

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  Posted by Bill (U1780452) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  Hi
  
  Have you found the family in the 1891 census? What was Charles/William's (b1885) mother's name on his birth certificate?
  
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  Bill

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  Posted by chasedward (U1917452) on Wednesday, 24th August 2005

  Bill, I've just looked it up and there is a William C. Dean and a Mary A Dean with a son of William E. Dean, living in Bristol. Williams second initial doesn't match, and nor does the fathers name as it should be Charles Edward Dean. But if this is them, how do I verify it before moving forward. I don't want to go down the wrong family tree. I have also received in the post today another birth certificate for William Charles Dean, with a father of Charles Dean and mottor Minnie Dean, but this is west Wycombe and the birth is 28/6/1886. This could be them too!!!! Is there anyway of checking? Thanks DAWN

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  Posted by dmatt74 (U1690430) on Thursday, 25th August 2005

  I would suggest you check the original birth certificate from the local area as a mistake could have been caused when the copy was sent to the General Register Office in London.
  
  Did William Charles Dean serve in the First World war?, if so his army record at The National Archives, Kew, might hold a few clues.

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  Posted by Bill (U1780452) on Friday, 26th August 2005

  Hi Dawn
  
  What about looking for a baptism for William Charles Dean in Bristol? From the address on the birth certificate you should be able to narrow down the parish.
  
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  Bill

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  Posted by Bill (U1780452) on Friday, 26th August 2005

  Dawn
  
  Just seen on the Bristol & Avon Family History Society site that there is someone interested in the surname Dean in the Clifton area of Bristol between 1800-1899.
  
  
  
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  Bill

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